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2.5 Inch Hard Drive - New Hitachi High Speed Experience and Questions

I recently purchased a new Hitachi 500GB drive to replace an old drive in a 2009 mid year MacBook. I’m impressed with the seemingly incredible performance of the drive, but have some questions.


The original drive was OEM and it was a Fujitsu MHZ2160BH FFS G1 which was a 160GB drive that came with the system. Recently I started getting slow-downs with it so I used Scannerz to perform a drive test on it. Scannerz found a few, not many, bad blocks and a bunch of weak sectors surrounding them. Their manual include some instructions to use Disk Utility to reformat and zero the drive which may or may not fix the problems. This drive is already five years old, so I just figured why waste time on trying to repair something that’s really old enough it might be on its way out anyway.


I considered replacing it with an SSD but the prices for comparable or bigger drives really can’t be warranted on a MacBook this old because they really aren’t worth that much any more - you can get them on eBay in good condition for about $200 or less. The system, however, still works fine. Only the drive is having problems and that’s after five years.


I did some searching and found an Hitachi HGST HTS725050A7E630 on sale locally for just over $50. Its a 500GB HD SATA 7200 RPM drive. I included a bunch of links for stuff mentioned here at the bottom of this post. You can see the specs there.


In any case, I wanted to make sure the new drive was OK so I installed it and started a scan on it using Scannerz. I figured this would take hours to run so I started the scan, left for a few minutes while I got soda, and thought I’d make one last check before leaving it alone to do the test on the drive. I figured when I got back Scannerz would have gone through about 4 or 5 GB, but instead it was at about 12 GB. I thought something was wrong.


I started a retest and the drive was hauling like I’d never seen an actual hard drive move before. I thought maybe the big cache was fooling Scannerz, so I got a copy Black Magic Disk Speed Test and was really, really surprised to see how fast this thing is. Scannerz tests for errors and other problems, so it doesn’t report speed data directly.


I expected to see a performance improvement, but I expected the improvement be caused by the rotational speed of the drive. The old Fujitsu drive ran at 5400 RPM and the new Hitachi runs at 7200. I expected the improvement to be on the order of 7200/5400.


What I did was a set of tests on both the old Fujitsu and the new Hitachi. I also used an old program named Xbench to get some results. It’s quite old but if you use only the disk testing mode it still works. In any case, here’s what I got results wise:


NEW HITACHI:


Time to do 0-10 GB scan using Scannerz: 1 min 13.93 sec (73.93 sec)

Black Magic Disk Speed Test Write speed: 116.1 MB/sec

Black Magic Disk Speed Test Read speed: 120.8 MB/sec

Xbench Uncached Write (256K blocks): 117.29 MB/sec

Xbench Uncached Read (256K blocks): 96.86 MB/sec


OLD FUJITSU:


Time to do 0-10 GB scan using Scannerz: 2 min 39.65 sec (159.65 sec)

Black Magic Disk Speed Test Write speed: 47.5MB/sec

Black Magic Disk Speed Test Read speed: 46.6 MB/sec

Xbench Uncached Write (256K blocks): 37.44 MB/sec

Xbench Uncached Read (256K blocks): 44.67 MB/sec


These obviously aren’t SSD speeds, but considering the price and the fact I now have a 500GB new drive, the speed difference is impressive. The tests aren’t averages, they’re just one shots to see how big the difference was. I suppose if I wanted to do a real test I’d take lots of measurements and do averages, but the differences are obvious and far exceed the 7200/5400 ratio I thought I’d see.


Some other notes:


1. The Hitachi is incredibly thin. DO NOT PUSH ON IT’S CASE AT ALL! I had a friend that did that and he ruined the drive. You’re not supposed to do that anyway, but in this case it absolutely has to be taken seriously. Handle it only by the edges.


2. The Hitachi drive has an “AF” label on it indicating it’s using 4K sectors natively but emulating 512 byte sectors. At least that’s what I think it means. I’m not sure if this is why the performance difference is so high.


3. Some people have questioned whether or not the 7200 RPM drives would cause heating and fans coming on in some posts. From my experience with this disk, the answer is a definite “no.” In fact I’d say fans on the system come on less.


4. If you look for one of these, make sure you get the right model number. Hitachi was making an earlier version with an 8 MB buffer instead of a 32MB buffer like this one has. I have no idea how that drive performs compared to this one. I assume this is Hitachi’s latest and greatest.


What I would like to know is why the speed difference? In use this thing is surprising fast. Obviously not as fast as an SSD but for 50 bucks and 500GB of storage I can’t complain. Is it because of the advanced format or is there some other technology at play?


Any comments are welcome, particularly those that may tell me whether we can see HDs continue to get even faster.


Links:


New Hitachi HD specs:http://www.hgst.com/hard-drives/mobile-drives/7mm-thin-and-light-drives/travelst ar-z7k500

Specs for old Fujitsu: http://vb.net/products/FUJITSU/fujMHZfam_ds.pdf

Scannerz: http://scsc-online.com/Scannerz.html

Black Magic Speed Test: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blackmagic-disk-speed-test/id425264550?mt=12

Xbench: http://www.xbench.com


Xbench seems to have been sort of abandoned since Tiger but if you uncheck all the options except the drive testing option it can still report.

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.5)

Posted on Sep 29, 2014 2:33 AM

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Nov 12, 2015 11:39 AM in response to ThomasB2010

We just had a system with an SSD in it have the SSD fail. No preliminary symptoms at all. Totally gone. It couldn't be that "power outage" related problem because it's a laptop. We replaced it temporarily with an old HDD and it worked so we know it's not the system. When the SSD was put into an external enclosure, it was like we connected the external enclosure into the system with absolutely nothing attached. Numerous attempts have been made to revive it, but none have worked.

Nov 24, 2015 11:57 AM in response to ZV137

I wouldn't give up on the SSD yet. I've read that if they don't receive power and sit idle for a while they somehow or other manage to come back to life. I know I've seen articles on this similar to this one:


http://forum.crucial.com/t5/Crucial-SSDs/Why-did-my-SSD-quot-disappear-quot-from -my-system/ta-p/65215


posted on a number of manufacturers sites. Do a web search using a topic like "ssd drive died" and you may come up with a fix from the manufacturers. Don't expect the data to be intact though.

Nov 28, 2015 12:03 PM in response to ZV137

I agree with R K Orion. Several years ago SSDs were really just beginning to hit the market en masse for regular consumers, and I do definitely remember OCZ's having problems. You might want to search this site itself for OCZ problems from 2-3 years ago and I'll bet some crop up.


I got a Sandisk nearly two years ago that I use as a test drive. It's been in several systems, been put in externals, had the power removed improperly (it was before I knew about how sudden power loss might hurt an SSD, so now I'm more careful) and it's showing no signs of problems. Admittedly it's used for testing OS and product installs so it isn't used all the time, and it's not big, but any time we do detailed checks on it, it's still in tip-top shape.

Dec 4, 2015 12:02 PM in response to ZV137

There's a computer "Super Store" near me named Micro Center. They often have refurbished OCZ's on sale, but very few other SSDs. Draw your own conclusions.


The Sandisk SSDs can be had for tens of dollars now. Not huge in size, but probably big enough for most people. I believe that one of the newer MacBook Air's is using Sandisk, so it's not like it's some junk brand.


I've also noticed a lot of "mushroom" brands cropping up. "Mushroom" refers to low cost, often low quality companies that come into existence overnight and then disappear as fast as they came up. Often they're buying defective rejects from other manufacturers, relabeling them, maybe repackaging them, unloading the stock, then disappearing from site. They typically show up on eBay or other similar sites.

Dec 5, 2015 12:00 PM in response to R.K.Orion

R.K.Orion wrote:


I've also noticed a lot of "mushroom" brands cropping up. "Mushroom" refers to low cost, often low quality companies that come into existence overnight and then disappear as fast as they came up. Often they're buying defective rejects from other manufacturers, relabeling them, maybe repackaging them, unloading the stock, then disappearing from site. They typically show up on eBay or other similar sites.


The telltale sign is usually a website with incomplete information that's vague, not like what you would expect from a viable manufacturer. The sites, like the company, come into existence and go off line as fast as possible. Most seem to be based in China. Computer batteries are also a another target of these types.

Dec 17, 2015 12:05 PM in response to R.K.Orion

Steer clear of "refurbs." It used to be that a manufacturers overstock would often be sold off as new but classified as "refurbished." Nowadays it often either really means it's refurbished or in the case of SSDs, they have buggy firmware that they don't want to correct. Sometimes the firmware can be patched, but you typically need a Windows system in DOS mode to do it.

Feb 9, 2016 3:40 AM in response to Fred1956

I got one of these Hitachi high speed drives. I know this thread is old, and I got mine within a few months of its appearance. HGST had a good reputation. As far as hard drives go, the performance is quite excellent and since I've owned it, no problems whatsoever.


I wish I could say the same for a Seagate backup drive I bought shortly after I got the HGST. Is Seagate now, officially, producing crap?

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