Q: Group SMS

OK Raz how do I send a group message?  I cannot see a group to send to.

Also can I send a group message to users of other phones?

Unless I'm being dumb or something I still see no option to send a group SMS.  I have a group in my contacts list and I want to send them all a group SMS but I have to individually add each member of the group to a message.

I can send them all a group email by typing in the group name, this does not show up when I want to send an SMS message.  I click the + icon and it goes to my group in contacts but I have to laboriously add every name one by one, it's ridiculous.

OK so it looks like I cannot send a group SMS unless I first add each contact individually to the conversation.  I know how to do this bit but it seems a bit long winded if I want to send 20 contact group members an SMS, surely there is a better way.

I did have an app called Group SMS but it does not work with iOS 8 which is a shame.  I thought iOS 8 would solve the group SMS issue but it looks like it has not.

I put down 20 as an example, I cannot even do 2 or 5.