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Q: Time Machine not working with Yosemite

I recently upgraded (clean install) from OS X Mavericks to Yosemite.  Before upgrading, I backed up my MacBook Pro via Time Machine on a network server (QNAP.)  Yosemite is up and running now, however, I am unable to access folder history via Time Machine.  Yosemite recognizes the historical backups, however, when I select a specific date in Time Machine, nothing happens.

 

Is anyone else experiencing this?

MacBook Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10)

Posted on Oct 16, 2014 10:56 PM

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  • by ItWasNotMe,

    ItWasNotMe ItWasNotMe Nov 17, 2014 12:02 PM in response to neoman
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    Nov 17, 2014 12:02 PM in response to neoman

    Definitely let them go.

     

    First major 10.10.0 bug I tested in 10.10.1 is still there.

     

    If you have an external disk that is dismounted when Time Machine runs, next occasion that Time Machine runs and the disk is mounted - Time Machine uses total space on that disk as part of the requirement.

    Why is this important - because it vastly overstates what is needed and may unnecessarily delete backups.

     

    Example - Calculated c47GB (wrong) but only backed up c110KB, (correct) so may have deleted anything up to 47GB of backups that it shouldn't.

    1. Do Time Machine Backup

    2. Dismounted ScratchUse

    3. Do Time Machine Backup

    4. Mounted ScratchUse

    5. Do Time Machine Backup

     

    This is the output from item 5.

     

    17/11/2014 19:49:25.153 com.apple.backupd[653]: Starting manual backup

    17/11/2014 19:49:25.166 com.apple.backupd[653]: Backing up to /dev/disk4s2: /Volumes/Time Machine Backup/Backups.backupdb

    17/11/2014 19:49:26.109 com.apple.backupd[653]: Will copy (Zero KB) from ScratchUse

    17/11/2014 19:49:26.112 com.apple.backupd[653]: Will copy (110 KB) from Macintosh HD

    17/11/2014 19:49:26.112 com.apple.backupd[653]: Will copy (Zero KB) from Photo Masters Vol 3

    17/11/2014 19:49:26.113 com.apple.backupd[653]: Will copy (Zero KB) from Photo Masters 5

    17/11/2014 19:49:26.113 com.apple.backupd[653]: Will copy (Zero KB) from Music and Video

    17/11/2014 19:49:26.114 com.apple.backupd[653]: Found 78 files (46.97 GB) needing backup

    17/11/2014 19:49:26.128 com.apple.backupd[653]: 58.16 GB required (including padding), 1.24 TB available

    17/11/2014 19:49:26.676 com.apple.backupd[653]: Copied 3 items (234 bytes) from volume ScratchUse. Linked 5.

    17/11/2014 19:49:28.844 com.apple.backupd[653]: Copied 28 items (110 KB) from volume Macintosh HD. Linked 367.

    17/11/2014 19:49:30.535 com.apple.backupd[653]: Copied 1 items (Zero KB) from volume Photo Masters Vol 3. Linked 5.

    17/11/2014 19:49:31.428 com.apple.backupd[653]: Copied 1 items (Zero KB) from volume Photo Masters 5. Linked 3.

    17/11/2014 19:49:32.180 com.apple.backupd[653]: Copied 1 items (Zero KB) from volume Music and Video. Linked 7.

    17/11/2014 19:49:33.202 com.apple.backupd[653]: Created new backup: 2014-11-17-194932

     

    The difference is the files on ScratchUse that had already been backed-up.

     

    If you want to test this, I suggest making sure that you use a disk where the amount used on the disk is less than the free space on your backup drive, otherwise you will lose backups.

  • by John Gruver,

    John Gruver John Gruver Nov 17, 2014 12:13 PM in response to ItWasNotMe
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    Nov 17, 2014 12:13 PM in response to ItWasNotMe

    Despite all my problems and trouble-shooting, I have not (yet) experienced that situation. Are you saying it happens after updating to 10.10.1, or it's one of the problems with Yosemite and Time Machine?

     

    When I am able to open the Time Machine disk on the desktop all my backups are there and all have a complete backup inside the folder.

  • by kjl3000,

    kjl3000 kjl3000 Nov 17, 2014 12:17 PM in response to AHappyMacUser
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    Nov 17, 2014 12:17 PM in response to AHappyMacUser

    Time Machine still won't travel through time ... pretty bad issue for a time machine.

    Apple, please fix EVERYTHING!

  • by ItWasNotMe,

    ItWasNotMe ItWasNotMe Nov 17, 2014 12:18 PM in response to John Gruver
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    Nov 17, 2014 12:18 PM in response to John Gruver

    Was introduced with Yosemite 10.10.0, is still there in 10.10.1.

     

    Absolutely repeatable

     

    In Mavericks, in this situation, in the backup in step 5 it would do a scan of the drive as part of the space calculation so it was always 'right'; now it just takes the used space on the volume - which is (nearly) always totally wrong.

     

    So if the used space on the drive is more than the free space on the backup it will delete backups until either there is enough space or there is only one backup left. In the latter case it gives you error message but by then its too late as all your other backups have gone.

     

    See this thread - Yosemite and Time Machine

     

    But I mixed up TB and GB in the example, they should all be TB

  • by John Gruver,

    John Gruver John Gruver Nov 17, 2014 12:56 PM in response to ItWasNotMe
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    Nov 17, 2014 12:56 PM in response to ItWasNotMe

    That settles it... back to Mavericks for me.

  • by adeluciajr,

    adeluciajr adeluciajr Nov 17, 2014 3:10 PM in response to AHappyMacUser
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    Nov 17, 2014 3:10 PM in response to AHappyMacUser

    AHappyMacUser wrote:

     

    This worked!  If I first access Time Machine from my hard drive and navigate from there it works.  Odd behavior, but glad it works!  Thank you!

    This solved it for me!  Entering Time Machine from the Desktop was useless - just hung...  But entering from my HD in Finder allowed me to navigate to my Desktop and recover what I was looking for.

  • by John Gruver,

    John Gruver John Gruver Nov 17, 2014 3:44 PM in response to adeluciajr
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    Nov 17, 2014 3:44 PM in response to adeluciajr

    I attempt to open my encrypted Time Machine BU and I get a error message:

    The following disk images couldn't be opened:

    Image: MacBook Pro.sparsebundle

    Reason: Resource temporarily unavailable

     

    So, not good.

     

    Good news? It appears my MacBook Pro will restore to my latest 10.9.5 backup via the Restore Disk (starting up while holding down Command and R), but of course it's going to take 10-hours!

     

    BTW: My Mac Pro's Time Machine just dumped older data to make some space... it had gotten below 20GB free space... now it's at 153.99GB free/7.5TB used

  • by borisoff22,

    borisoff22 borisoff22 Nov 17, 2014 5:30 PM in response to adeluciajr
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    Nov 17, 2014 5:30 PM in response to adeluciajr

    Happy User,

    Today Nov 17, finally 10.10.1 update came out.  That is the good news for restoring past data.  Now Time Machine can travel back in time.  The bad news is that we all provided Apple developers with the workaround to accomplish all this by clicking on the Macintosh HD either outside of or in Time Machine and navigating to the desired folder or file(s).  The favorites before, only froze everything up.  Now Apple engineers, being ingenious copycats really haven't solved the real fix for this problem.  They implemented the workaround we thought up by freezing the favorites and programming Time machine to select Macintosh HD and you have to navigate through the finder panes to go into the past.  You can select a past pane okay, but you can tell that the fix in 10.10.1 is only a workaround until they get around to doing it right and we thought of it first!

  • by bbuchanan3,

    bbuchanan3 bbuchanan3 Nov 17, 2014 6:08 PM in response to borisoff22
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    Nov 17, 2014 6:08 PM in response to borisoff22

    Nothing has really changed for me since 10.10.1.  If I enter TM from the folder I wish to retrieve, then I can't navigate back in time.  If I enter TM from the HD then I can navigate back in time using the sidebar only.  If I attempt to navigate through the folders before backing up in time, I will get blank time cards.  I think this is a partial fix, but it sure doesn't act like Time Machine in Mavericks. 

  • by Jdaddy404,

    Jdaddy404 Jdaddy404 Nov 17, 2014 7:06 PM in response to Richard Walker
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    Nov 17, 2014 7:06 PM in response to Richard Walker

    10.10.1 did not fix the problem. In fact I can no longer use the TM drive work around. I mean come on Man! Its worst now than before the update. Everyone needs to keep posting "Time Machine not working with Yosemite" until Apple gives us a fix. This is absolutely ridiculous!

  • by John Gruver,

    John Gruver John Gruver Nov 18, 2014 8:48 AM in response to Jdaddy404
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    Nov 18, 2014 8:48 AM in response to Jdaddy404

    I just tried it out on my Mac Pro with 10.10.1, in Enter Time Machine. If I select my computer in Devices in the Finder window (you have to set the Device preference, in Finder, for Sidebar to show your computer) and then select my home folder I have access to all historical copies every individual item on my computer (e.g., Applications, Documents, Music, etc.) while in Time Machine. Not perfect, but it does work.

  • by magfish,

    magfish magfish Nov 18, 2014 12:06 PM in response to AHappyMacUser
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    Nov 18, 2014 12:06 PM in response to AHappyMacUser

    having the same problem as I need to get a photo from a few years back and can't get anything,*** is up with that?

  • by greenmind,

    greenmind greenmind Nov 18, 2014 3:53 PM in response to neoman
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    Nov 18, 2014 3:53 PM in response to neoman

    It is strange isn't it Jdaddy404, especially when Apple 'claims' to have released the same version of Yosemite for everyone.  I clean installed using a pen drive, and my now my two years of backups, are either extremely hard too find, or gone. 

  • by greenmind,

    greenmind greenmind Nov 18, 2014 8:56 PM in response to greenmind
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    Mac App Store
    Nov 18, 2014 8:56 PM in response to greenmind

    For instance, when I open my Mail wt Time Machine, and try to recover old emails, I am unable to go past November 13 in the Mail program. Time machine fails to function before the 13th. The 13th is the day which I installed Yosemite. My backup drive still functions, and have files going back to 2012. Unfortunately I can only access them by going into my devices. Then looking for items seems to be a hit or miss process. Or I can go directly into my backup drive, in order to recover old items. Unfortunately using time machine as it was designed, is not possible. I will also be asking in a new forum, but I'll ask here first. Under what file name is old mail files stored under, so I can look them up in my backup drive, and hopefully have them restored.

  • by Martin Mitchell,

    Martin Mitchell Martin Mitchell Nov 18, 2014 10:23 PM in response to greenmind
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    Nov 18, 2014 10:23 PM in response to greenmind

    I seem to have the  exact same issue down to the inability to go past November 13th in Apple Mail. We're trying to get back to November 9th but are unable to.

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