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Q: Aperture 3.6 raw reprocessing

Aperture 3.6 says it has a newer version of Apple's raw processing. When I reprocess, I see considerable differences. For example, dodge adjustments become much stronger than before. Opinions to whether the new raw processing is an improvement, anyone? Thanks.

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Posted on Oct 17, 2014 11:59 AM

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  • by PeterQQ,

    PeterQQ PeterQQ Oct 17, 2014 12:00 PM in response to PeterQQ
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    Oct 17, 2014 12:00 PM in response to PeterQQ

    I use a Retina Macbook Pro and a Nikon D7000.

  • by Red Robin,

    Red Robin Red Robin Oct 17, 2014 12:21 PM in response to PeterQQ
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    Oct 17, 2014 12:21 PM in response to PeterQQ

    I haven't got there yet but surely the best way to form your opinion about the differences is to try them out?

  • by PeterQQ,

    PeterQQ PeterQQ Oct 17, 2014 12:31 PM in response to Red Robin
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    Oct 17, 2014 12:31 PM in response to Red Robin

    Thank you, Red Robin. Of course I will try it out, but I would like to hear about other people's experiences, too.

  • by Cosmicpix,

    Cosmicpix Cosmicpix Oct 18, 2014 8:15 AM in response to PeterQQ
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    Oct 18, 2014 8:15 AM in response to PeterQQ

    I tried it out on some photos from my Canon 70D. The photos were taken from a trip to Washington, DC. For indoor shots with dimly lit subjects, I notice a lot more dynamic range. Imagine grabbing the histogram from both sides and pulling really hard. Noise shows up a lot more.

     

    I conclude that this is not an improvement. The old adjustment is labeled custom Canon 70D. So, if I need it, I can revert. All in all, I am not happy with this "improvement."

  • by christianfromhessen,

    christianfromhessen christianfromhessen Oct 18, 2014 9:47 AM in response to Cosmicpix
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    Oct 18, 2014 9:47 AM in response to Cosmicpix

    Hey Cosmicpix,

     

    did you saved a Preset for your Camera with a different Setting for "Detail" in the RAW Fine-Tuning Brick?

    I´ve noticed that the Detailslider seems to work differently. NEF Files from my D7100 show more Noise when set Detail to 1.0. I found that a Value of 0.8 matches the 1.0 Value under Aperture 3.5.1.

  • by PeterQQ,

    PeterQQ PeterQQ Oct 18, 2014 10:45 AM in response to christianfromhessen
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    Oct 18, 2014 10:45 AM in response to christianfromhessen

    Thanks for your feedback! I think I haven't seen any visible changes when reprocessing an original without any adjustments, but any use of the shadows and dodge sliders is exaggerated by the new RAW processing, to the point where I have to back in and lower the slider. Is this a feature or a bug, Apple?

  • by torreypines,

    torreypines torreypines Oct 18, 2014 1:52 PM in response to PeterQQ
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    Oct 18, 2014 1:52 PM in response to PeterQQ

    With OS X 10.10 Yosemite and the latest Aperture 3.6 version update (along with the Digital Camera Raw update 6.00) any of your older Raw edited original versions from Aperture 3.5.1 will need to be reprocessed if you decide to re-edit the older RAW images in vers 3.6 - this has been standard Apple operating procedure for any major Aperture upgrade. BTW, I have had no problems updating to Aperture 3.6 across multiple OS X 10.10 platforms with multiple Aperture libraries.

  • by Cosmicpix,

    Cosmicpix Cosmicpix Oct 18, 2014 3:34 PM in response to christianfromhessen
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    Oct 18, 2014 3:34 PM in response to christianfromhessen

    Well, the detail bar was at the half-way mark. When I slide it to 0, there is a small improvement. Denise helps a little. As is usually the case with RAW fine tuning, it really is fine. So, I expect these results. When I switch the camera profile back to Canon 70D, there is far less blowout, and the noise is a lot less.

     

    I just not happy with the latest RAW processing. I have never had this problem with Aperture before. Have been a user for about 7 years.

  • by Cosmicpix,

    Cosmicpix Cosmicpix Oct 18, 2014 3:36 PM in response to christianfromhessen
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    Oct 18, 2014 3:36 PM in response to christianfromhessen

    christianfromhessen

     

    You may be on to something with the detail setting. Hope someone at Apple figures this one out. I am going to avoid reprocessing until I see more on this thread.

     

    Thank you.

  • by Cosmicpix,

    Cosmicpix Cosmicpix Oct 18, 2014 3:37 PM in response to torreypines
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    Oct 18, 2014 3:37 PM in response to torreypines

    torreypines

     

    I have also had no issue upgrading. Aperture is faster and the DB conversion required minimal waiting.

  • by christianfromhessen,Helpful

    christianfromhessen christianfromhessen Oct 19, 2014 4:46 AM in response to Cosmicpix
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    Oct 19, 2014 4:46 AM in response to Cosmicpix

    So far i discovered that:

    • The Detail Slider in the RAW Fine Tuning Brick works different
      • Standard for my NEF Files where 0.0 (manually set to 1.0) ist changed to 0.13
      • If set manually to 1.0 way more noise and more details so i have to find a spot around 0.55 to 0.6 to match the former Settings under 3.5.1
    • Shadows and Highlights are better
      • Created a Duplicate from a unedited (with older RAW Engine) NEF -> better Highlights (Histogramm does look different)
    • Colors look better, especially greens, blues und magenta
      • compared a Picture with someone wearing a purple Jacket; that Jacket look more close to reality

     

    NEF Files from Nikon D7100 latest Firmware (2014)

    Aperture 3.6

     

    So far i´m happy with the new RAW Engine

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Oct 19, 2014 4:59 AM in response to PeterQQ
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    Oct 19, 2014 4:59 AM in response to PeterQQ

    Aperture 3.6 says it has a newer version of Apple's raw processing.

     

    In which document have you seen the reference a new RAW processing? There is nothing in the Aperture 3.6 release notes. 

    http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2518

    It is probably in Yosemite release notes that I cannot find.

     

    But the Raw processing has changed, nevertheless. All my Canon EOS 5D Mark II photos are now appearing overexposed and to the colors are much too vibrant.

  • by PeterQQ,

    PeterQQ PeterQQ Oct 19, 2014 5:03 AM in response to léonie
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    Oct 19, 2014 5:03 AM in response to léonie

    Léonie, I have only seen it in the Adjustment pane of Aperture: "This photo was adjusted using an earlier version of Apple's Raw processing".

  • by christianfromhessen,

    christianfromhessen christianfromhessen Oct 19, 2014 6:54 AM in response to léonie
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    Oct 19, 2014 6:54 AM in response to léonie

    Hello Léonie,

     

    this is funny because by my files the Colors are more accurate then before. Especially Red-Tones are less saturated and more like reality.

    I also didn´t find any notes regarding the changes made to the Raw Processing?!

     

    If searched for Adjustments and RAW Encoding und found that everything encoded with Aperture 3.6 is RAW Encode 6.0 while Aperture 3.5.1 used 5.0. But that´s it...

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