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Q: Yosemite: Preview Won't Manipulate or Merge PDFs

Using Yosemite 10.10 on 10-18-14 with a Macbook Pro Retina Early 2013, I can't manipulate PDFs using Preview 8.0.  The PDF is not locked, and I have full read/write permission.

 

I can open a PDF.  I can delete a page in a PDF. I can rotate a page in the PDF.  However, I CAN'T move a page from one location to another within the same PDF.  I CAN'T merge the contents of one PDF into another PDF.

 

When I try to move a page within a PDF a "hole" opens up between the pages (that slid apart to allow the page to be moved there) but the page is not moved to that location and the "hole" does not close up until the PDF is closed and reopened.  When I drag the source PDF to the desired position inside the thumbnail on the left side of the recipient PDF, the thumbnail pages slide apart and the green + appears over the icon for the source PDF confirming that I want to add the PDF in that location.  However when I release the mouse, the document springs back to its former location without being added.  Unlike in an attempted page move, however, the thumbnails slide back together.

 

I have to manipulate PDFs all the time, and if anyone can tell me what I'm (suddenly) doing wrong, I would be most appreciative.  I have Adobe Acrobat, so I can work around the problem, but Acrobat is slow and difficult to work with.  Thanks in advance.

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X Yosemite (10.10)

Posted on Oct 18, 2014 9:55 AM

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  • by sjmcdonald7,

    sjmcdonald7 sjmcdonald7 Oct 20, 2014 12:59 PM in response to Litag8r
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    Oct 20, 2014 12:59 PM in response to Litag8r

    I have exactly the same issue. Although my MacBook Pro is Late 2008, running Yosemite 10.10 on 10-20-14. Every issue that Litag8r has mentioned has also happened to me. I'll let you know if I find a solution, but looks like a glitch that came with the update to Yosemite.

  • by hskrype,

    hskrype hskrype Oct 21, 2014 9:53 AM in response to Litag8r
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    Oct 21, 2014 9:53 AM in response to Litag8r

    I have the exact same problem. I'm working with a 2013 Air, and it's seriously messing with my studying efficiency (medical student!)

  • by p tor,

    p tor p tor Nov 14, 2014 3:33 AM in response to Litag8r
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    Nov 14, 2014 3:33 AM in response to Litag8r

    Same issue here in both my Macs: one with 10.10 and the other with pre-release OS X update seed 10.10.1

  • by VikingOSX,

    VikingOSX VikingOSX Nov 14, 2014 4:21 AM in response to Litag8r
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    Nov 14, 2014 4:21 AM in response to Litag8r

    The principal role of Preview 8 is a PDF viewer with rudimentary markup capability. Apple did not set out to make an Adobe Acrobat Pro, or compete with the myriad of third-party PDF manipulation choices in the OS X App Store.

     

    Although Preview in some past versions of OS X would provide arcane PDF merging, it appears that this capability is now gone.

     

    Rather than waste more unproductive time attempting to make Preview into what it is not, I recommend a closer look at utilities in the App Store that meet your PDF handling requirements.

     

    Like it or not, the so-called new Apple is about design trumping user functionality.

  • by p tor,

    p tor p tor Nov 14, 2014 4:34 AM in response to VikingOSX
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    Nov 14, 2014 4:34 AM in response to VikingOSX

    I adored that "arcane PDF merging" capability. I don't want to look for yet another third-party utility in the App Store to do something that was so easy until a few months ago! What is the rationale? No one complained when it was possible to simply drag-and-drop pages into pdf documents: why do you say now that this is attempting to make Preview into what it is not?

  • by Litag8r,

    Litag8r Litag8r Nov 14, 2014 7:43 AM in response to VikingOSX
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    Nov 14, 2014 7:43 AM in response to VikingOSX

    If only I could invent a product that costs more than twice the competition, differentiated by only slight variations in esthetics and function, that engenders such fanboy support that even when avarice and indifference causes problems for some customers, other customers (completely unbidden and uncompensated but who are plagued by the exact same problem) set upon the complaining customers like a pack of hounds, all the time asserting that the emperor, in fact, is wearing the most beautiful clothes in the world!

     

    Nobody and no company is perfect.  However, Yosemite is a total POS.  It is a great prototype.  However, it was not ready for prime time.  In the "More Like This" below there are 5 different types of Yosemite complaints.  I object to being a beta tester.  The good news is that if this were a Microsoft product, I would have paid $199.95 for it.  So I saved a couple Benjamins that I had to turn around and spend on Adobe to get the same functionality I had before "upgrading."  Hey wait!  Does Apple own Adobe??

  • by anyid,

    anyid anyid Nov 19, 2014 2:36 PM in response to Litag8r
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    Nov 19, 2014 2:36 PM in response to Litag8r

    Hello!

     

    I too am having problems with Preview 8.0 in Yosemite. Like others, I can not add a page or merge two PDFs or move pages around. VikingOSX indicated that this was no longer functionality in this version and that we should employ better PDF programs. Excuse me for saying so but that can't be true. The HELP system clearly indicates that you should be able to add a pdf file via the Edit > Insert > Page from File command. This command does exist in the UI. I can execute the command and navigate to the correct file and select it but nothing happens. It makes no sense that Apple would remove the ability to combine pdfs together. This seems like a legitimate bug. I will file a bug report.

     

    Also, Preview is no longer meant to be just a viewer. It has really good capabilities for modifying PDFs that I use every day.

     

    If anyone finds a solution to this problem I would appreciate it if you could let me know.

     

    Thank you for reading.

     

    Susan

  • by Litag8r,

    Litag8r Litag8r Nov 19, 2014 2:43 PM in response to Litag8r
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    Nov 19, 2014 2:43 PM in response to Litag8r

    Update:  Yosemite 10.10.1 did nothing to fix this problem.  I can't tell if preview was updated, but it now shows version 8.0 (859). 

     

    Thanks to "anyid" for pointing out that the help file describes the desired functionality, which, unfortunately, does not work.

  • by tomidownunder,

    tomidownunder tomidownunder Nov 19, 2014 3:11 PM in response to Litag8r
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    Nov 19, 2014 3:11 PM in response to Litag8r

    Hi guys

    Just come across this post so I thought I would check it out

    as I often merge pages etc. I selected 3 pages from one doc and dragged them

    to another. No problem. I then moved several pages around- again no problem.

    I cannot reproduce the difficulties you are having. No help I know but it works for me.

    OSX 10.10.1 Mac Pro 6 Coe Late 2013.

    Cheers Tom

  • by anyid,

    anyid anyid Nov 20, 2014 8:55 AM in response to tomidownunder
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    Nov 20, 2014 8:55 AM in response to tomidownunder

    Hello Tom. Thanks for testing. I am finding that there are some PDFs that exhibit this problem and some that don't. I generally work with PDF documents generated by a 4D database and PDFs that are produced by scanning hardcopy pages. In addition, we some times have to include forms generated by others outside of our control, such as government forms. Further, some times we annotate these pages in Preview.

     

    Testing has shown me that some files are easily integrated with the simple drag and drop feature. Some times the drag and drop won't work at all. In these cases the Edit > Insert page doesn't work either. Some times I can get a page in but the annotation disappears. Last night I tried the setting Preview preference to open all files in the same window and then the Export as PDF command to try to merge them. This resulted in a merged file but a form came in portrait and the annotated text came in landscape.

     

    I'm going to keep trying to nail down exactly what is happening so I can report it to Apple.

  • by vchapple17,

    vchapple17 vchapple17 Nov 22, 2014 10:16 AM in response to Litag8r
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    Nov 22, 2014 10:16 AM in response to Litag8r

    I have/had this same issue in just the last couple of days with a file I constantly am merging. I have never had a problem with drag and drop until Yosemite. My issue arouse During the same editing time frame, I went from being able to drag and drop files to not being able to that nor add blank pages.  I tried multiple tactics to resolve this issue, but the one I tried that solved my issue was to open the "Print" dialogue and save the file as a PDF. I did this to both files and was able to merge the two PDFs.  I did notice that the only annotation I had (which was first made using on Yosemite) is no longer editable, but it is still present.  I do not know if I had to do it to both files, or just the one with the annotation.

     

    This was my only case of not being able to merge files, so I have not been able to explore what exactly is the cause or the limitations of this solution.  Hope this helps someone else figure more out.

  • by Eric Root,

    Eric Root Eric Root Nov 22, 2014 11:52 AM in response to Litag8r
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    Nov 22, 2014 11:52 AM in response to Litag8r

    Send Apple feedback. They won't answer, but at least will know there is a problem. If enough people send feedback, it may get the problem solved sooner.


    Feedback

  • by bzwink,

    bzwink bzwink Dec 2, 2014 1:18 PM in response to Litag8r
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    Dec 2, 2014 1:18 PM in response to Litag8r

    It seems that the only pdfs that have this problem are the ones that have annotations in them.

  • by Litag8r,

    Litag8r Litag8r Dec 3, 2014 12:30 PM in response to bzwink
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    Dec 3, 2014 12:30 PM in response to bzwink

    I have tested a freshly-created PDF made by Word with no annotations .  After this small test, I concur with bzwink, that the (1) move page (2) add page PDF problem does NOT occur when the PDFs are annotation-free.  Thanks for providing this tip!  Unfortunately I end up annotating most of my PDFs, but perhaps I can manipulate them before annotating...

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