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Nov 6, 2014 6:22 AM in response to Star Travelerby Jwp721,Thats just a bunch of bull. The iPad 2 with IOS 7 didn't need any new life. It worked just fine. It worked so well that I have not even considered buying another version unless I dropped mine and had to look at a replacement. There was no way it was ever going to "give up on me".
If Apple had let us know that the iPad 2 was not capable of handling an IOS 8 upgrade I don't think anyone would have been upset. If they would admit their goof and let us all downgrade back to IOS 7 I think we would all be happy as well. My iPhone 4s continues to work fine with IOS 7 and my wife surfs the web easily with her iPad 2 with IOS 7 as well while I sit here struggling to type this simple message with IOS 8.
I still am holding out hope that 8.1.1 will give me back the enjoyment I used to get from my iPad 2, but recent events really make wonder if such a thing is possible or even desired by Apple.
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Nov 6, 2014 6:29 AM in response to Jwp721by Star Traveler,Jwp721 wrote:
Thats just a bunch of bull.
That statement has absolutely and inevitably held true over the last 30+ years of computers and the recent computer-type portable devices. There's absolutely no disputing it ... and in fact, it's sort of been enshrined in a "computer law" that has been affirmed for a long time. It's called "Moore's Law". It's been in effect for over half a century.
Again ... the statement from that article writer that I affirmed and agreed with is the following ...
"Software updates might pump life into older hardware for a short moment of time, but eventually we all know that our aging gadgets will eventually give up on us."
No matter how much you may want to deny this, it's not based on the whims and desires of individuals or based upon Apple, but is based upon the realities of the computer industry.
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Nov 6, 2014 6:37 AM in response to Jwp721by Star Traveler,Jwp721 wrote:
If Apple had let us know that the iPad 2 was not capable of handling an IOS 8 upgrade I don't think anyone would have been upset.
Apple has affirmed that the iPad 2 is capable of running iOS 8 and it STILL confirms that to the present. In addition to that, there are many iPad 2 users who have said on these forums that they are running fine on iOS 8. And for the few who have initially reported some problems, they have said they were able to get their iPad 2 model running fine again. A good number of those were people whom I gave advice to and they followed through and has them running fine again. But, as I have said many times before, there is not just one solution for iPad owners as there are a variety of issues and I just provided one or two answers for a group of them. I've lost count now, as to how many iPad users have reported back to me that things are working fine for them now.
In addition to all of the above, Apple is selling the iPad 2 model on their online store website and it can be bought with a two-year AppleCare contract, which means that Apple will back it up and service it for another two years from now. And that iPad 2 that Apple will sell you today is able to upgrade to iOS 8 and run fine ... keeping in mind that Apple affirms that it can -AND- Apple will BACK IT UP with their two-year AppleCare contract!
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Nov 6, 2014 6:44 AM in response to Star Travelerby Jwp721,Hate to keep feeding you since is is obvious you are just repeating the party line. But the problem is tablets are not needed to be power houses. They just need to be able to surf the web, respond to emails, view pics, show videos, play music, and perform a few other actions. I have been through so many desk tops and lap tops over the years that I wouldn't even want to count them... But as far as tablets the iPad 2 was a do everything I will ever need product. That stinks for a company that makes its living off of new sales but destroying a product by rolling out an upgrade it can't handle isn't good customer relations.
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Nov 6, 2014 6:49 AM in response to Jwp721by Star Traveler,Here's Moore's Law, by the way ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law
I included another link since that first one had some problems ...
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Nov 6, 2014 6:59 AM in response to Star Travelerby Jwp721,If it were really so capable then I doubt this community would be flooded with issues. I will also bet if you separated those who you think you helped fix their issues vs those who got to a point that they are able to tolerate the situation you might be surprised on the lackluster success of your efforts. Like turning on reduce motion.. It doesn't fix an issue. It masks the issue. No more food from me for you.
PLease ignore any tyoos, blank spaces or other mistakes... I am running IOS 8. But its guaranteed by Apple. Dosn't that make you feel great!
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Nov 6, 2014 6:56 AM in response to Jwp721by Star Traveler,Jwp721 wrote:
Hate to keep feeding you since is is obvious you are just repeating the party line.
There's no party line here ... the fact of Moore's Law has stood up over decades (despite people wondering how much longer it can ...) and from the time of the 1984 Macintosh to the present portable devices, that fact is true and is outside of any "party line" because it pertains to the entire computer industry.
That stinks for a company that makes its living off of new sales but destroying a product by rolling out an upgrade it can't handle isn't good customer relations.
But the fact remains that it can handle it and Apple backs that up, right now, by giving a two-year AppleCare contract on the iPad 2 model that they will sell you TODAY ... meaning Apple is going to cover THAT DEVICE you buy today for another two years - GUARANTEED!
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Nov 6, 2014 7:01 AM in response to Jwp721by Star Traveler,Jwp721 wrote:
If it were really so capable then I doubt this community would be flooded with issues.
LOL ... go to the hospitals in the USA and you'll find them "flooded" with sick people. But that doesn't mean the USA has all sick people or even a majority of sick people, but only a very very small minority of sick people are represented in the hospitals, as compared to the overall condition of the people in the USA.
This forum is a "computer hospital" for those users who want to try and fix something themselves on their own devices ... :-) ...
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Nov 6, 2014 7:22 AM in response to Jwp721by Star Traveler,Jwp721 wrote:
I will also bet if you separated those who you think you helped fix their issues vs those who got to a point that they are able to tolerate the situation you might be surprised on the lackluster success of your efforts.
You'll find users who run iOS 8.1 without any problem and you'll find those who had initial problems and run fine now. What that means is that it is technically feasible to say that others can get their iPad 2 models running fine, too -- from the example of others who post here it's fine for them.
Now I read every day that iPad 2 users are having no problems (i.e., namely they do exist here) and it's so frequent a posting here that I can't even track how many say that ... but ... I did just run across another user saying the exact same thing, which matches all the others I've seen saying it ... so I give you that one I just read a few minutes ago! It's Barry Hemphill on a thread where one iPad 2 user was saying he had a problem.
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Nov 6, 2014 7:51 AM in response to Jwp721by Star Traveler,ALSO ... user "imobl" reports two of his iPad 2 models running iOS 8 without any problems ...
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Nov 6, 2014 8:07 AM in response to momolorientby markandcandy,I concur, because I am having the same problem with my IPad 3. Too often I load a page and the blue bar stops about one third of the way across and stops. Or, the page loads and when I touch the screen to move it around, it fails to move. With as many responses on this thread about this problem, Apple needs to get off this dead horse and solve the problem.
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Nov 6, 2014 8:14 AM in response to Ninob68by markandcandy,I've had my iCloud turned off for Safari for some time and that has not helped.
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Nov 6, 2014 8:40 AM in response to markandcandyby Tomskyair,Same here.
Reset my iPad 3 to factory defaults - still agonizing user experience. Not any better than the updated installation before. Sluggish, unresponsive, links not working. Has been previously reported around here ad nauseam. As I wasn't inclined to rebuild my iPad manually (what for when performance was already in the gutter?) I restored it from a local iTunes backup. At leaast that didn't cause any further deteriorations...
Also tried a few of the commonly suggested fixes like turning iCloud off, resetting the device, disabling animations and minimizing Safari tabs among others. If there's any effect at all it's not consistent and not persistent. I have a little experience in computer hardware evaluation and to me it just looks as if the older iDevices are simply lacking the RAM to run iOS 8 properly. But there even seem to be issues with newer devices, so I might be wrong.
But so far it seems that there's no real solution - unless Apple provides either an iOS 8 release that brings back 7.1,2's fluidity or starts signing 7.1.2 again for anything older than iPad Air and iPhone 6. But they won't do the latter - too much loss of face.
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Nov 6, 2014 12:33 PM in response to momolorientby placidmaster,SSo discussed in the last two months now ( yes I have 8.1 not 8.01/2 ) and as far as I am concerned Apple owe me a massive discount on a new device. Steve jobs must be turning in his grave. I have an old back up 3GS, a 5 a 5s and an iPad air. I feel like apple have totally **** on me and many others and I am seriously considering buying Samsung and switching to android. I have been an iman since day one and unless I am compensated for a device I cannot use, and a personal apology, I will cut my losses and be off.
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Nov 6, 2014 3:56 PM in response to noremacniaiby lesliefromstockton-on-tees,DDoes he fit the definition?
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