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Q: Safari DNS problem in Yosemite? Works, then slow death...

Safari 8.0 + Yosemite seems to have a problem. It will work for a while, then begins to fail to load and is unable to resolve top level domains -  "Safari Can't Find the Server ... [e.g. apple.com]"

 

Restarting Safari often resolves the issue for a while (minutes, hours?), then performance deteriorates until it finally gives up and generates the error. Chrome, on the same machine, does not suffer this problem.

 

17" Intel iMac, Safari 8.0, Yosemite, Exede broadband (satellite).

 

Anybody else see this issue and/or have a solution?

 

iMac (27-inch Mid 2011), OS X Yosemite (10.10)

 

iMac (27-inch Mid 2011), OS X Yosemite (10.10)

Posted on Oct 21, 2014 1:44 PM

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  • by Mark Sealey,

    Mark Sealey Mark Sealey May 22, 2015 1:26 PM in response to jjabbb
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    May 22, 2015 1:26 PM in response to jjabbb

    jjabb,

     

    What does 'Link-local only' (as opposed to 'Automatic') mean/do/imply, please?

     

    Why would that work better?

     

    Thanks!

  • by jjabbb,

    jjabbb jjabbb May 22, 2015 1:29 PM in response to Mark Sealey
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    May 22, 2015 1:29 PM in response to Mark Sealey

    I honestly have no idea, lol!

    Someone posted it somewhere around page 5 (I think) and they seemed to know what it means. I just tried it (because I had tried everything other option and nothing worked) and it worked (so far).

    Though I did just come across a page 2 minutes ago that wouldn't load. But it wasn't Google, YouTube or Facebook which were the only sites I noticed having a problem with before.

  • by Mark Sealey,

    Mark Sealey Mark Sealey May 22, 2015 2:55 PM in response to jjabbb
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    May 22, 2015 2:55 PM in response to jjabbb

    jjabbb wrote:

    …a page 2 minutes ago that wouldn't load. But it wasn't Google…

    jjabbb, thanks!

     

    To be clear, if I may, were/are you experiencing the same as I do with Google results, please; I haven't see that behaviour otherwise (widely) reported?

  • by ric_lewis,

    ric_lewis ric_lewis May 26, 2015 5:13 PM in response to MCW55
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    May 26, 2015 5:13 PM in response to MCW55

    This just in:

    http://9to5mac.com/2015/05/26/apple-drops-discoveryd-in-latest-os-x-beta-followi ng-months-of-complaints-about-network-issues-with-yosemite/

     

    For those whom this is TL;DR:

     

    After many complaints from the developer community about poor networking performance on Yosemite, the latest beta of OS X 10.10.4 has dropped discoveryd in favor of the old process used by previous versions of the Mac operating system. This should address many of the network stability issues introduced with Yosemite and its new networking stack.

     

    ...

     

    Looking at Activity Monitor on OS X 10.10.4 seed 4, discoveryd is no longer loaded by the system — instead relying on mDNSResponder. The ‘new’ process is really the one Apple used to use pre-Yosemite and did not have these problems.

     

    discoveryd gets handed its walking papers, and mDNSResponder gets called out of retirement.

  • by drpeter,

    drpeter drpeter May 27, 2015 12:53 AM in response to ric_lewis
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    May 27, 2015 12:53 AM in response to ric_lewis

    Thats really interesting but I'm not clear what issues this will fix.

     

    The problems I have experienced (in the order I noticed them) are:

    1. Slow (or no) connection to WiFi when Macbook wakes up from sleep unless Bluetooth is disabled
    2. Duplicate network names of devices on the LAN since I added an airport device.  (also flakey Wake on LAN)
    3. The WAN DNS lookup issue that this thread relates to. 

     

    These issues are all well documented in other threads

     

    The latter issue does seem to have gone away since renaming the system configuration folder although I realise it didn't work for others.

     

    is mDNSresponder implicated in all of these?

     

    Peter

  • by chownz,

    chownz chownz May 27, 2015 1:34 AM in response to ric_lewis
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    May 27, 2015 1:34 AM in response to ric_lewis

    This can't come soon enough - thank you for sharing this, it gives me hope.

  • by chownz,

    chownz chownz May 27, 2015 1:38 AM in response to drpeter
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    May 27, 2015 1:38 AM in response to drpeter

    From what I've read and witnessed, all the networking issues, be they wifi, ethernet, failure to load images to emails, drop outs etc....are all relating to this flawed new part of the operating system 'discoveryd' that handles how Macs connect to websites.

     

    By removing it and reverting to the old system 'mDNSresponder' we hope that the stability will be restored, which means I can get on with doing my work.

     

    Fingers crossed.

  • by drpeter,

    drpeter drpeter May 27, 2015 3:28 AM in response to chownz
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    May 27, 2015 3:28 AM in response to chownz

    The first issue that I mentioned was the slow connection to WiFi with bluetooth enabled.  This problem first surfaced in the update to Mavericks and has continued with Yosemite.   That makes me think it's not related to the other issues. 

     

    Fingers crossed though

  • by ric_lewis,

    ric_lewis ric_lewis May 27, 2015 3:32 AM in response to drpeter
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    May 27, 2015 3:32 AM in response to drpeter

    drpeter, the only known 'solution' to addressing the actual cause of this issue (all other solutions address only the symptoms) was this:

     

    http://arstechnica.com/apple/2015/01/why-dns-in-os-x-10-10-is-broken-and-what-yo u-can-do-to-fix-it/

     

    For 12 years, the mDNSResponder service managed a surprisingly large part of our Mac's networking, and it managed this task well. But as of OS X 10.10, the mDNSResponder has been replaced with discoveryd, which does the same thing. Mostly.


    I was never game enough to physically replace one piece of the core operating system with something else entirely (my Mac is for work).

     

    However, this is exactly what Apple are planning to do with 10.10.4!

     

    I think everyone who reported this problem via the official OS X Feedback form (myself included) deserves a round of applause.

  • by shekharfrommumbai,

    shekharfrommumbai shekharfrommumbai Jun 5, 2015 12:24 AM in response to MCW55
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    Jun 5, 2015 12:24 AM in response to MCW55

    I was fed up with this problem since last one year. I tried everything (change DNS.....and what not) No success. Last week wasted 3 hours with apple support and they made me to even format OS. Despite that nothing works....safari doesn't work.......i think best is to deactivate it and switch to chrome. The person on chat was trying to convince me that speed of safari is good, when i shown him chrome speed, he was so upset....

     

    Also - decided not to buy any mac in future - windows is not good, but it doesn't give such basic fundamental problems....browser not working....****

  • by Mark Sealey,

    Mark Sealey Mark Sealey Jun 5, 2015 7:29 AM in response to shekharfrommumbai
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    Jun 5, 2015 7:29 AM in response to shekharfrommumbai

    I have a ticket open with Apple too - very helpful indeed.

     

    Their engineers traced the problem to (Google) servers not responding to the packets which Safari on my machine is sending.

     

    How to get Google to take notice?

  • by iSailor,

    iSailor iSailor Jun 24, 2015 3:34 PM in response to MCW55
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    Jun 24, 2015 3:34 PM in response to MCW55

    Hi all,

    I have read this thread because I have this problem but with a funny twist. I am currently writing this message in Chrome because my internet works and even Safari works with every web page but www.apple.com. What I think is amusing. !!!The only page I can't access is apple!!!!.

     

    Also I can't access other apple services so no iTunes store, or iBooks store, or updates (I think, at least I have not had one for ages).

     

    I have tried all the suggestions here and none has worked for me.

     

    It is a shame that the company that once was proud of producing the most reliable computers in the market has fallen into the trap of selling more and more without looking after quality and reliability.

     

    They have created a name and they are now milking it. Sad!

  • by Mark Sealey,

    Mark Sealey Mark Sealey Jun 24, 2015 6:00 PM in response to iSailor
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    Jun 24, 2015 6:00 PM in response to iSailor

    Which ISP do you use; mine is AT&T. Could that be the common thread; throttling etc???

  • by seyed_m,

    seyed_m seyed_m Jun 27, 2015 4:06 AM in response to MCW55
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    Jun 27, 2015 4:06 AM in response to MCW55

    Hi all,

    Please see this reply message.

    I saw turning OCSP and CRL off and restricting connections for IP 91.121.43.224 under com.apple.WebKit.WebContent and com.apple.WebKit.Networking processes (it may be under any process but i saw it here), solved my HUGE bandwidth usage and also SLOOOOW Safari issues fixed both!!!

  • by jjabbb,

    jjabbb jjabbb Jun 29, 2015 12:00 PM in response to ric_lewis
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    Jun 29, 2015 12:00 PM in response to ric_lewis

    I started having the same problem again but this time, only with Facebook not loading. I hadn't changed anything since my last post (when everything was working fine) but I got a new iPhone and set up the iMessage.

    I had turned on Bonjour in iMessage when setting it up with my new phone. I turned it off, restarted Safari and everything was back to perfect.

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