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Windshadow99 Author

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More boot camp problems new 5k imac 3 tera fusion drive

there seems to be problems with Yosemite and boot camp assistant

i'm cross posting this to the iMac forum but I spent hours online with apple tech today and none of the several foks I talked to there had even seen a 5k 27" yet and my call back from Cupertino and engineering is no till tomorrow so I thought I should post here too

MMy bto 5k shipped from China sunday night and arrived in Maine this morning.... Amazing when you think about it for a bto

iinstallation and set up we're going fine and I started up boot camp assistant to create a temp boot camp while I wait for my thunder bay 4 box to take the drives for my old Mac pro when boot camp will have a1 tera SSD all to itself....

so carved off a 700 gig boot camp partition which the assistant formatted fat I then plugged is the lighting to FW adapter in a LaCie 2 tera fw 800 drive to act as a bridge to my LaCie DVD burner which uses the old fw400 cables and inserted my new shrink wrap win 8.1 retail 64 DVD and up comes the win 8 install in very tiny type in a tiny window which got a bit of a laugh out of me.

And I go through it to the point of selecting that boot camp partition and then said it could not use a fat partition and I should reformat it from the win 8.1 installer which I did and then it said it could not use and unknown partition so I said great and booted back to 10-10 and the boot camp tool to put things back and it said it could not I then went to disk tools and it also said the 3tera fusion could not be either reformatted or put back to a single partition I was on with tech support where I went up through 4 levels of support due to the 5k bto which most had no knowledge of. We tried the optioncommand r to get to DT and the same problem as did going to reinstall from the net which after a 30 min down load could not reformat either it is now kicked to Cupertino with a call back tomorrow

( At this point all I want to do is put the computer back in the condition it was in when i started with a plain Yosemite on an unpartitioned 3 tera fusion... Then deal with boot camp when it can have its own drive)

am betting it will take a Unix comand line to reformat but be aware there may be boot camp issues with my configuration

and any help here will be great fully received

iMac, OS X Yosemite (10.10)

Posted on Oct 21, 2014 4:04 PM

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Loner T

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Posted on Oct 21, 2014 6:04 PM

There is a much easier and cleaner method on the new iMac 5K, because it is a full UEFI machine and Windows 8.1 is UEFI compliant. The traditional bootcamp Hybrid MBR is a travesty on such a beautiful machine.

Please see this thread - Re: Problem installing Windows (7, 8.0, 8.1) on BOOTCAMP - Mavericks.

Initializing the internal disk may not be necessary at all but Command+Opt+R and DU is needed, if you really need to initialize the internal Fusion HD.

This thread can help you initialize the internal drive - Re: Can't format former Boot Camp partition

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Windshadow99 Author

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Oct 22, 2014 1:14 PM in response to Windshadow99

SSo ran it again and windows no longer is showing a 600 gb space even thought it was there the first time it got past selecting the 600+ gig the first time though

it now is saying drive 3 unalocated space 931.1 gb and I do not see any drives showing 600 gb

Loner T

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Oct 22, 2014 1:17 PM in response to Windshadow99

Can you post diskutil list output?

Windshadow99 Author

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Oct 22, 2014 1:22 PM in response to Loner T

-bash-3.2# diskutil list

/dev/disk0

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *121.3 GB disk0

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk0s1

2: Apple_CoreStorage 121.0 GB disk0s2

3: Apple_Boot Boot OS X 134.2 MB disk0s3

/dev/disk1

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *3.0 TB disk1

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk1s1

2: Apple_CoreStorage 2.4 TB disk1s2

3: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 650.1 MB disk1s3

4: DE94BBA4-06D1-4D40-A16A-BFD50179D6AC 314.6 MB disk1s4

5: EFI NO NAME 104.9 MB disk1s5

6: Microsoft Reserved 134.2 MB disk1s6

7: Microsoft Basic Data 599.7 GB disk1s7

/dev/disk2

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: Apple_partition_scheme *1.3 GB disk2

1: Apple_partition_map 30.7 KB disk2s1

2: Apple_HFS OS X Base System 1.3 GB disk2s2

/dev/disk3

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: Apple_HFS Macintosh HD *2.5 TB disk3

Logical Volume on disk0s2, disk1s2

2F8B1E82-11CC-4B2F-9AE8-A03854BF4E1E

Unencrypted Fusion Drive

/dev/disk4

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *5.2 MB disk4

/dev/disk5

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *2.0 TB disk5

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk5s1

2: Microsoft Basic Data Union 500.1 GB disk5s2

3: Apple_HFS Shimmo 499.6 GB disk5s3

4: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 650.0 MB disk5s4

5: Apple_HFS Orange 500.1 GB disk5s5

6: Apple_HFS Newcastle 499.4 GB disk5s6

/dev/disk6

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *524.3 KB disk6

/dev/disk7

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *524.3 KB disk7

/dev/disk8

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *524.3 KB disk8

/dev/disk9

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *524.3 KB disk9

/dev/disk10

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: IR3_CCSA_X64FRE_EN-... *4.1 GB disk10

/dev/disk11

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *524.3 KB disk11

/dev/disk12

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *6.3 MB disk12

/dev/disk13

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *2.1 MB disk13

/dev/disk14

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *1.0 MB disk14

/dev/disk15

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: FDisk_partition_scheme *15.6 GB disk15

1: DOS_FAT_32 ABOOTCAMP 15.6 GB disk15s1

/dev/disk16

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *524.3 KB disk16

/dev/disk17

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *524.3 KB disk17

/dev/disk18

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *1.0 MB disk18

/dev/disk19

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: untitled *6.3 MB disk19

Loner T

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Oct 22, 2014 1:29 PM in response to Windshadow99

You seem to be using Recovery. You should be in regular OSX to start BA.

Windshadow99 Author

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Oct 22, 2014 1:33 PM in response to Loner T

i did not use BA i had the thumb drive it created yesterday Abootcamp an i just restarted with option and selected the EFI part of the 8.1 dvd it shows 2 dvd icons one named windows the other boot EFI i think

Windshadow99 Author

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Oct 22, 2014 1:43 PM in response to Windshadow99

and it looks like i am back where i was this morning BA once more reports

i think it is time to take up drinking 😊

The startup disk cannot be partitioned or restored to a single partition.

The startup disk must be formatted as a single Mac OS Extended (Journaled) volume or already partitioned by Boot Camp Assistant for installing Windows.

Loner T

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Oct 22, 2014 2:32 PM in response to Windshadow99

You should have not any of disk6-9, disk11-14 or disk 16-19. If you exit out of terminal, are you still in recovery console?

Please startup using regular OS X and run diskutil list, and we can cleanup. I would not use the USB you have. If you have a W8.1 DVD, I suggest just using that to install.

Windshadow99 Author

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Oct 22, 2014 2:57 PM in response to Loner T

OOk grabbing som supper back at it in about an hour... Nearest Chinese take out is about 20 min away.

i Booted back int OS X and got that report when I ran BI from it disk tools shows 2 small partitions and under them the now 599gig NC partition but it also once more reports that the drive can no longer be partitioned depending on how many drinks I have when I get home with my fried rice and kung po chicken extra hot I may be putting this off till tomorrow I wil any way pull a ddiskutil list from OS X terminal as soon as I eat

you have the patience of job putting up with idiots like me. Was my main error going with 8.1 rather than 7.x? I ironed out my rough spots with XP years ago and was used to its ways... Wish it was still supported😟

Loner T

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Oct 22, 2014 3:00 PM in response to Windshadow99

The first W8.1 attempt did create an MSR/MSD partition, but failed somewhere else. It left it dangling. We can merge all the small chunks, and get it back again. Post back when you want to play a bit more. 😉 .Enjoy Supper!

Loner T

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Oct 22, 2014 4:23 PM in response to Windshadow99

You have DE94BBA4-06D1-4D40-A16A-BFD50179D6AC this is one partition which is Windows Recovery. And then you have these failed, ones. BA is trying to partition, because you have a problem here. I have a suspicion, but when you can play with it we can confirm it.

4: DE94BBA4-06D1-4D40-A16A-BFD50179D6AC 314.6 MB disk1s4

5: EFI NO NAME 104.9 MB disk1s5

6: Microsoft Reserved 134.2 MB disk1s6

7: Microsoft Basic Data 599.7 GB disk1s7

Windshadow99 Author

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Oct 22, 2014 5:45 PM in response to Loner T

on the off chance that some of this might be of use i leave it here

diskutil list

/dev/disk0

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *121.3 GB disk0

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk0s1

2: Apple_CoreStorage 121.0 GB disk0s2

3: Apple_Boot Boot OS X 134.2 MB disk0s3

/dev/disk1

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *3.0 TB disk1

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk1s1

2: Apple_CoreStorage 2.4 TB disk1s2

3: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 650.1 MB disk1s3

4: DE94BBA4-06D1-4D40-A16A-BFD50179D6AC 314.6 MB disk1s4

5: EFI NO NAME 104.9 MB disk1s5

6: Microsoft Reserved 134.2 MB disk1s6

7: Microsoft Basic Data 599.7 GB disk1s7

/dev/disk2

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: Apple_HFS Macintosh HD *2.5 TB disk2

Logical Volume on disk0s2, disk1s2

2F8B1E82-11CC-4B2F-9AE8-A03854BF4E1E

Unencrypted Fusion Drive

/dev/disk3

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *2.0 TB disk3

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk3s1

2: Microsoft Basic Data Union 500.1 GB disk3s2

3: Apple_HFS Shimmo 499.6 GB disk3s3

4: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 650.0 MB disk3s4

5: Apple_HFS Orange 500.1 GB disk3s5

6: Apple_HFS Newcastle 499.4 GB disk3s6

/dev/disk4

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: FDisk_partition_scheme *15.6 GB disk4

1: DOS_FAT_32 ABOOTCAMP 15.6 GB disk4s1

Ls-iMac:~

diskutil list

/dev/disk0

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *121.3 GB disk0

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk0s1

2: Apple_CoreStorage 121.0 GB disk0s2

3: Apple_Boot Boot OS X 134.2 MB disk0s3

/dev/disk1

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *3.0 TB disk1

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk1s1

2: Apple_CoreStorage 2.4 TB disk1s2

3: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 650.1 MB disk1s3

4: DE94BBA4-06D1-4D40-A16A-BFD50179D6AC 314.6 MB disk1s4

5: EFI NO NAME 104.9 MB disk1s5

6: Microsoft Reserved 134.2 MB disk1s6

7: Microsoft Basic Data 599.7 GB disk1s7

/dev/disk2

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: Apple_HFS Macintosh HD *2.5 TB disk2

Logical Volume on disk0s2, disk1s2

2F8B1E82-11CC-4B2F-9AE8-A03854BF4E1E

Unencrypted Fusion Drive

/dev/disk3

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: GUID_partition_scheme *2.0 TB disk3

1: EFI EFI 209.7 MB disk3s1

2: Microsoft Basic Data Union 500.1 GB disk3s2

3: Apple_HFS Shimmo 499.6 GB disk3s3

4: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 650.0 MB disk3s4

5: Apple_HFS Orange 500.1 GB disk3s5

6: Apple_HFS Newcastle 499.4 GB disk3s6

/dev/disk4

#: TYPE NAME SIZE IDENTIFIER

0: FDisk_partition_scheme *15.6 GB disk4

1: DOS_FAT_32 ABOOTCAMP 15.6 GB disk4s1

Ls-iMac:~ lrandolphlee$ diskutil cs list

CoreStorage logical volume groups (1 found)

+-- Logical Volume Group 153ED13B-3675-40D1-9469-2E1A3B4167EC

=========================================================

Name: OSX-FusionLVG

Status: Online

Size: 2520472952832 B (2.5 TB)

Free Space: 65536 B (65.5 KB)

+-< Physical Volume E5B22231-71E8-49A0-B823-C9CDD51DBB36

| ----------------------------------------------------

| Index: 0

| Disk: disk0s2

| Status: Online

| Size: 120988852224 B (121.0 GB)

+-< Physical Volume 4AA11193-404F-4A0B-A0BF-8815703F35F1

| ----------------------------------------------------

| Index: 1

| Disk: disk1s2

| Status: Online

| Size: 2399484100608 B (2.4 TB)

+-> Logical Volume Family 48FC4D5C-8729-4EB5-A194-0714015C26E5

----------------------------------------------------------

Encryption Status: Unlocked

Encryption Type: None

Conversion Status: NoConversion

Conversion Direction: -none-

Has Encrypted Extents: No

Fully Secure: No

Passphrase Required: No

+-> Logical Volume 2F8B1E82-11CC-4B2F-9AE8-A03854BF4E1E

---------------------------------------------------

Disk: disk2

Status: Online

Size (Total): 2514617630720 B (2.5 TB)

Conversion Progress: -none-

Revertible: No

LV Name: Macintosh HD

Volume Name: Macintosh HD

Content Hint: Apple_HFS

Ls-iMac:~

time for me to be burden to my bed see you in about 10 or 12 hours hic

Loner T

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Oct 22, 2014 7:43 PM in response to Windshadow99

Thanks for posting this. It helps a lot and when you roll out of bed, you can implement what I suggest. If you notice, none of the virtual disks are now showing up in your diskutil list output. You stop at disk4, not disk19, etc..

Let me first provide an explanation, and then proceed further. The Windows MSR is a FAT partition. A FAT partition beyond the 2TB boundary cannot be addressed, by design of FAT. This mandates that the MSR partition should be within the first 2TB of the disk. the 600GB for Windows is past the 2TB at 2.4TB+. The W8.1 installer creates but cannot access it once created, so it never works.

Since you already have CoreStorage defined, there is no need to destroy it again. The physical disk (PV) which is the HD, needs to removed, re-partitioned and the higher chunk starting at 600GB+ till 3TB should be given to the CS volume for OSX. You need to make sure the next steps are executed ONLY if the disk space used in OSX is less than 120GB (as that is the limit of the SSD). If the HDD is removed, all data for Yosemite MUST fit on the SSD temporarily, till the HDD can be added back.

1. Verify that Macintosh HD is less than 120GB. It can be done by right-clicking on it in Finder and using "Get Info" or Command+I.

2. If #1 is true, then remove the PV (3TB HDD chunk disk1s2) from Core storage using (the data came from your diskutil cs list output)

diskutil cs removeDisk 4AA11193-404F-4A0B-A0BF-8815703F35F1

3. Run Disk Utility, and "Ignore" the "Fix", split it into two parts. The first part HDD1 is 600GB of Free Space, the remainder is 2.4TB of Mac OSX Extended Journaled.

4. Your 3TB HDD will look like EFI (200MB), Free Space (~600GB), MAC OSX (~2.4TB).

5. Run diskutil list.

6. Find out from Step 5, what disk1sN it is (N is what is needed).

7. Add the device from step 6 to CS volume as

diskutil cs addDisk 153ED13B-3675-40D1-9469-2E1A3B4167EC Step6-disk1sN.

8. Install W8.1 on the Free Space (~600GB). This will get split by W8.1 installer into MSR and MSD partitions. If you have issues, please post back here. You can directly use the EFI Boot from the W8.1 DVD. The advantage of the Bootcamp USB is that it will also install Bootcamp drivers automatically.

The adventure continues, with a hang(over)up though. 😉

This is the general syntax of the two commands used.

diskutil cs removeDisk

Usage: diskutil coreStorage removeDisk pvUUID

Remove a physical volume from its CoreStorage logical volume group.

Ownership of the affected disks is required.

Example: diskutil coreStorage removeDisk 11111111-2222-3333-4444-555555555555

diskutil cs addDisk

Usage: diskutil coreStorage addDisk lvgUUID NewMemberDeviceName

Add a new physical volume to a CoreStorage logical volume group.

Ownership of the affected disks is required.

Example: diskutil coreStorage addDisk

11111111-2222-3333-4444-555555555555 disk4s2

Loner T

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Oct 22, 2014 10:18 PM in response to Windshadow99

Here is some more reading material if you are so inclined - http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn640535(v=vs.85).aspx

Windshadow99 Author

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Oct 23, 2014 7:38 AM in response to Loner T

just joined the land of the living and about to go read the

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/dn640535(v=vs.85).aspx

you posted the info you posted last night is a huge help in getting me to understand what is going on and i will try to implement it when i finish the reading

btw when do you sleep or are some sort of huge AI running on a cluster of supercomputers?🙂😎

i confess to being a bit surprised by these limitations in a modern 64it OS

should the one gig of files that BI put on my 16GB thumb usb stick be plugged in as a part of the process

and once i get the above things done do i go directly to the efi boot of the install dvd via option restart? and not use BI at all?

that is how i understand it but just double checking

oh and as you can see i am good on disk space

Loner T

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Oct 23, 2014 8:45 AM in response to Windshadow99

Windshadow99 wrote:

btw when do you sleep or are some sort of huge AI running on a cluster of supercomputers?🙂😎

i confess to being a bit surprised by these limitations in a modern 64it OS

I have a SSN, which I think an AI cluster may not have. 😉 This is not a limit per se, because the MSR usually is the first partition after EFI/ESP on is usually within the 2TB FAT limit.

should the one gig of files that BI put on my 16GB thumb usb stick be plugged in as a part of the process

and once i get the above things done do i go directly to the efi boot of the install dvd via option restart? and not use BI at all?

that is how i understand it but just double checking

The 1GB set of files are Bootcamp drivers, that can also be installed from the Apple Bootcamp downloads by using them on Windows directly. If there is a $WinPEDriver$ folder, those drivers are used during the boot sequence to support KVM during installation. I used BA to build a USB which has both the W8.1 ISO and BC drivers during my install. The W8.1 DVD can use it's generic drivers to allow installation. If you run into an issue, the USB can be built with the ISO and BC drivers. This is what it looks like. If you cannot see the image, I will post a link via IMGUR.

oh and as you can see i am good on disk space

This should allow remove of the HDD PV (physical volume).

More boot camp problems new 5k imac 3 tera fusion drive