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Q: Yosemite has no sort by name in Mail App

Yosemite has what I would say is a bug- it is certainly at least a dropped feature.

I'm sure that most people view mail sorted by date as do I.  But sometimes I want to view all mail from a particular sender.  All previous versions of mail allowed you to simply click on any mail in the inbox and then simply click the "sort by name" tab at the top to see all letters sorted by name, beginning with the selected email.  Now in Yosemite, instead of beginning with the selected email, it instead starts at "A" or "Z" ignoring the selected email.  I would suggest that this is helpful to exactly nobody.  I'm hoping this is just a bug/oversight that will be quickly fixed.  "Sort by name" is king of important to those of who are heavy users.

And yes, I understand that I can do a search.  But this brings up every email that even mentions the sender and searching and then sorting is super cumbersome compared to the one click method that has seemingly been abandoned.  Hoping there's a fix in sight!

Posted on Oct 28, 2014 2:24 PM

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  • by JustineBee,

    JustineBee JustineBee Dec 3, 2014 3:37 PM in response to World3d
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    Dec 3, 2014 3:37 PM in response to World3d

    Experiencing the same annoying issue - noticed that this thread goes back over a month and I just updated to Yosemite a couple of weeks ago.  Wish I had seen this sooner.

     

    Also when I sort by TO in sent mail, the same thing happens - you have to scroll to find the person you sent to even though they were selected when you switched to sort by TO.  And the emails are out of order by date! Can't figure out if there is any organizing principle at work here at all.

  • by buddhaauthor,

    buddhaauthor buddhaauthor Dec 3, 2014 4:24 PM in response to World3d
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    Dec 3, 2014 4:24 PM in response to World3d

    I just posted a thread mail.app Display by Sender Glitch on this topic, yesterday, as my searches did not turn this one up. I guess because I was searching for "sender" and this thread has "name" in it. Still, I would have thought the other search parameters would have led me here. And now, the very next day, I coincidentally find myself here. Thanks for doing the research on this. Like World3d (and, no doubt, the rest of you) I just cannot fathom whose workflow the engineers thought this would streamline. Defaulting a display to the top or bottom of an enormous list instead of a specifically chosen email? No, when I come down to it, this cannot benefit anyone, except by chance. It's a bug and they don't want to admit it.

     

    So, thanks for the heads-up on the arrow keys. I'm greatly relieved, not by Apple heaven knows, but by this community. Hisaaki or HarvestNZ, drop by my thread so I can give you points! (You were the first mentioners of the more complex and more simple solutions). Might be cool to earn points on these boards. A little street cred!

  • by Old Toad,

    Old Toad Old Toad Dec 3, 2014 4:31 PM in response to World3d
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    Dec 3, 2014 4:31 PM in response to World3d

    That option is still available:

    Mail001.jpg

     

    Or just create a smart mailbox with the criteria:

    Screen Shot 2014-12-03 at 4.28.44 PM.jpg

    Very simple, quick and effective.

    SantaToad.png

  • by buddhaauthor,

    buddhaauthor buddhaauthor Dec 3, 2014 4:42 PM in response to Old Toad
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    Dec 3, 2014 4:42 PM in response to Old Toad

    Old Toad, I appreciate your creativity but we are talking about a sorting function some of us use ten times a day for ten different senders. And that's just in one day. We might have 200 senders we look up in a year. We are not going to create 200 smart mailboxes. That's a solution worse than the problem.

     

    I just sent my feedback to Apple. Had to categorize it under "Efficiency/workflow" but told them I suspected it was a bug and to please return Mail.app to its proper and practical previous behavior.

     

    Ps. Love the holiday garb!

  • by World3d,

    World3d World3d Dec 3, 2014 4:44 PM in response to Old Toad
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    Dec 3, 2014 4:44 PM in response to Old Toad

    Sorry but I believe you misunderstand the issue.  This is not to sort one name, this is to sort any and all names.

    Also, workarounds have already been presented.  I think at this point, everyone is hoping for a fix to original functionality as opposed to work arounds.

  • by Old Toad,

    Old Toad Old Toad Dec 3, 2014 4:45 PM in response to buddhaauthor
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    Dec 3, 2014 4:45 PM in response to buddhaauthor

    I edited my first post to include this screenshot

    Mail001.jpg

     

    but it messed up and duplicated the first screenshot.  The sort by From is still there. Just click on the sort by date down arrow.

  • by World3d,

    World3d World3d Dec 3, 2014 4:50 PM in response to Old Toad
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    Dec 3, 2014 4:50 PM in response to Old Toad

    Old Toad, please read this entire thread carefully.  This is NOT a fix.  Stating otherwise serves to confuse the issue.

  • by Old Toad,

    Old Toad Old Toad Dec 3, 2014 5:16 PM in response to World3d
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    Dec 3, 2014 5:16 PM in response to World3d

    Sorry about that.  It's late in the day and am getting tunnel vision.  When you scroll down the list is the name you had selected before switching to Sort by From highlighted?    

     

    If enough users report it to Apple like you requested maybe Apple will reconsider bringing it back.  However, I'm afraid it's gone the way of the dodo bird and color Finder and iPhoto sidebar icons.

  • by scottpmurphy,

    scottpmurphy scottpmurphy Dec 3, 2014 6:58 PM in response to World3d
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    Dec 3, 2014 6:58 PM in response to World3d

    This issue has been driving me nutso.  Glad to have a workaround, but W_T_F Apple?  How is this possibly an improvement?

  • by nostatic,

    nostatic nostatic Dec 4, 2014 9:38 AM in response to scottpmurphy
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    Dec 4, 2014 9:38 AM in response to scottpmurphy

    Having extra keyclicks to do something that I do dozens of times a day is idiotic. This is a fundamental UI fail - when I have focus on something (e.g. an email  that is clicked on), a sort should retain that focus. It may be time to move to another email client.

  • by harvestnz,

    harvestnz harvestnz Dec 4, 2014 9:56 AM in response to nostatic
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    Dec 4, 2014 9:56 AM in response to nostatic

    I have used other email clients including years with Outlook for Mac but Apple Mail is far faster and slimmer unless you have various staff making appointments for you. Mail's database very rarely crashes - in my case once in five years, and then rebuilding is much easier and faster than Outlook. Now that we have solution that involves one additional key click I am more than happy. There are more important things worth stressing about than one additional key click. I am also sure that this is a bug but the software engineers are just too proud to admit it and none of them actually run a real business of their own where they might have tens of thousands of emails where frequent searching is a valuable business tool. I still think we might see the old method magically appear in a future update.

  • by BigHealey66,

    BigHealey66 BigHealey66 Dec 4, 2014 11:30 AM in response to harvestnz
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    Dec 4, 2014 11:30 AM in response to harvestnz

    I tend to agree.  It's amazing how worked up some folks are getting about this.  Yes Apple shouldn't have changed it and I hope your right that some day they fix it, but really!  How hard is it to hit the down key?  It is certainly easier than typing a long diatribe about how awful a company Apple is or worse yet, changing to a different mail server that will likely have dozens of things that don't work like they used to.  I think it's time to let this one go folks.

  • by World3d,

    World3d World3d Dec 4, 2014 11:44 AM in response to BigHealey66
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    Dec 4, 2014 11:44 AM in response to BigHealey66

    I realize I probably shouldn't address this post but it's really irksome.  Yes, there are greater ills in the world.  "So your air conditioner stopped working?  Boo hoo, there are people starving in Africa! Get over it".   If it's not a problem for you, awesome.  Move on to another thread.  But many people are finding this to be a real crimp in their business workflow.  The "one click" work doesn't work as well as the original function.  It's really super to hear that's not an issue for you.  You clearly want people to know that you're more advanced than the four pages of others who do find it to be a problem.  For those of us your post offering nothing other than judgement isn't appreciated, necessary or appropriate. 

  • by BigHealey66,

    BigHealey66 BigHealey66 Dec 4, 2014 11:52 AM in response to World3d
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    Dec 4, 2014 11:52 AM in response to World3d

    Sorry.. it wasn't my intention to tweak you, but in reading my post I understand why it did.  I've sent my complaint to apple support asking that they fix the bug  and I've shown the work around to my co-workers running Yosemite, so  I've done all I can at this point.  I'll take you suggestion an move off the thread.

  • by harvestnz,

    harvestnz harvestnz Dec 4, 2014 12:01 PM in response to World3d
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    Dec 4, 2014 12:01 PM in response to World3d

    Thanks for your comments BIGHEALY66 - we agree

     

    As to World3d please understand - it was important to me until I spent an hour working my way up the Apple support chain until I finally got the one click solution which I kindly took the time to post here to help others. Now we have a solution that works fine. Not what we are used to, but hey it works - so get over it! You must live a charmed life if this little thing annoys you that much. Please remember ONE CLICK fixes it.

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