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iMac 2014 5K Bluetooth Trackpad Problem after sleep

Hi all,


I was all excited to get my new iMac 2014 5K two days ago. The display is simply stunning. I am however struggling with a trackpad problem and had several support calls with Apple already.


After the iMac goes into sleep (and enters deep sleep after circa 2-3 minutes), it cannot be woken up with trackpad or keyboard anymore, After pressing the power button, it turns on again (no need of restart). The trackpad is by then however useless. The pointer movements are extremely slow and none of the gestures work. I tried the following instructions in different forums but none of them worked. It cannot be that all new iMac 2014 users are having this problem!


  1. Unpairing and pairing the bluetooth devices
  2. PRAM reset (multiple times)
  3. SMC reset (multiple times)
  4. Safe boot
  5. Deleting system plist files and restarting
  6. Changing batteries of trackpad.
  7. Turning wifi off (between that I am connected otherwise at 5Ghz with 802.11ac)
  8. Turning off all devices in the house that transmits signals (router, DECT phone etc)
  9. Testing Trackpad with Macbook Air with Yosemite installed (sleep and trackpad works fine with it)
  10. SSD format and reinstalling Yosemite (and no further apps on top of it). This means iMac is as good as out of the box with only Apple bluetooth keyboard and trackpad connected.


After the problem starts I see the following messages in Error log

30.10.14 22:51:08,000 kernel[0]: [BNBTrackpadDevice][setReportWL][1c-1a-c0-f2-1e-82] Could not send DATA command via interrupt channel - 0xE00002BE

30.10.14 22:51:08,000 kernel[0]: [BNBTrackpadDevice::_simpleSetReport][85.3] ERROR: setReport returned error 0xe00002be for reportID 0xF1

30.10.14 22:51:08,000 kernel[0]: [BNBTrackpadDevice::_setMultitouchReportID][85.3] ERROR: _simpleSetReport returned error 0xe00002be for reportID 0xDD

30.10.14 22:51:08,000 kernel[0]: [BNBTrackpadDevice::_setMultitouchReport][85.3] ERROR: _setMultitouchReportID returned error 0xe00002be for reportID 0xDD


The day before I got the iMac 5K, I sold my perfectly working Late 2013 iMac with Yosemite on it. It had no issues with trackpad.


I see a long thread here from Macbook users

Bluetooth problem with OSX Yosemite: Magic Mouse and Keyboard

There people mostly complain about latency and not the sleep problem. Does anyone else face this problem with the new iMac and Yosemite?


Regards,

iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, Late 2014), OS X Yosemite (10.10)

Posted on Oct 31, 2014 8:50 AM

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Oct 31, 2014 9:01 AM in response to nirmalts

As a work around have you considered putting the display to sleep rather than the computer. Set the computer sleep to "Never" and set the computer sleep to the desired setting. This should handle your problem, I have used this method for years and find it much more reliable than dealing with computer sleep.


BTW, I noticed you did not mention any USB connected to the iMac, those could also be causing problems. If you have any connected I would recommend disconnecting them and testing.

Oct 31, 2014 11:59 PM in response to mdsmith2

Great to know that I am not alone on this.


The problem is reproducible if you take a new iMac 5k out of the box and let it sleep for more than 2 mins. This means it would affect all new iMac users right? How can Apple miss such a basic functionality on the new iMac 5K?


Can any other iMac 5K users confirm if they DO NOT have this problem? If someone is at Apple store please check it on the demo system there (I do not have a store nearby me unfortunately). Just click on "Sleep" from Apple menu and wait for around 2-3 mins and wake up the iMac with a connected bluetooth device. It shall not wake up and when woken up with power button, everything lags and no gestures work.


If it is a hardware issue and only some users are affected I will try to exchange my iMac in the return period and try my luck. I do not want to sit on a expensive defective hardware.


Between that I found 3 workarounds to overcome this.


1. The one is not to let the iMac sleep but only display sleep (as rkaufmann87mentioned)

2. In Bluetooth settings uncheck the option to let Bluetooth devices wake up iMac from sleep. In this case the power button needs to be used to wake up and when woken up no problem with bluetooth devices

3. Connect a USB mouse and wake up iMac with it. Other bluetooth peripherals continue to work. However, with USB mouse connected if you touch Apple Keyboard or Trackpad to wake up, the problem returns.


Not funny Apple!!


I do not want to work with workarounds on this new iMac. If it is a hardware issue, it is going back!!!


Nirmal

Nov 1, 2014 12:21 AM in response to nirmalts

Just found that, in general, if you do not use bluetooth devices to wake up the iMac from sleep (but use power button, wired USB mouse etc.), the bluetooth devices continue to work. This means pt.2 above is not really necessary, but it ensures that you do not accidentally use your bluetooth devices to wake up iMac from sleep.


I am now waiting for Apple third level support to get back to me. Once they do, I might mostly going to be talking to Apple sales!


Nirmal

Nov 1, 2014 1:49 PM in response to nirmalts

Hi again - yeah, same here and can reproduce the issue 100% of the time: If waking from deep sleep with ANY BT device, the issue occurs. There seems to be a failed power state that causes duplex operations to malfunction; hence you get the slowness, bearing of communication (power levels will not work correctly in display as they are not correctly transmitted), lack of scrolling and other features.

If I wake up via the power button, all is fine - also 100% of the time.

I think it's very unlikely this is a hardware issue, as it's clearly a matter of 'how' the card is woken up and initialized; and thus ought to be software fix.

I have opened a bug report with Apple and send the BT diagnostics report; lets hope this makes it into a .1 fix.

Not sure why it may not be happening to all 5k users.

There should not be any connection, but... are you using FileVault?

My config is 4Ghz i7, 32GB Ram, M295 X, 1TB Flash. Apple Bluetooth Software Version: 4.3.0f10 14890

Nov 1, 2014 1:59 PM in response to DanOsers

Good that I am not alone on this. I will show your post to Apple when I talk to their third level support on Monday.


I am not using FileVault. I am on a clean Yosemite installation with all defaults.


I am on WLAN at 5Ghz with 802.11ac. The router is not from Apple (it's a Fritz!box). Also tried with WLAN N. Which Wifi are you using?


My Config is 4Ghz i7, 16GB RAM, M295X 4096 MB, 512GB Flash.

Apple Bluetooth-Softwareversion: 4.3.0f10 14890

Nov 1, 2014 5:45 PM in response to nirmalts

Hi all,


I want to submit my bluetooth magic mouse issue with my 5k iMac as well.


I just received my brand new 5k iMac yesterday. I did not install any new software so the system is bone stock out of the box. I found that after the system resumes from sleep, the magic mouse scroll functions fail. The mouse works however in the plain vanilla modes. The pointer tracking, click and right click works. The horizontal and vertical scroll functions failed after resume from sleep. The keyboard works as well. The problem is reproduceable 100% of the time:


1) Start from full off; verify mouse can scroll vertically and horizontally

2) enter sleep; verify no fan or HDD noise

3) resume from sleep; verify mouse’s scrolling functions are lost

4) i switch off the mouse and switch it back on to see it the scroll functions would recover. it did not. The only way to recover them is to perform a system restart.


Sometimes, after the scroll function failed, the Magic Mouse's configuration options in the System Preference disappeared, and is replaced with a plain vanilla mouse options (1 page instead of the original 2 pages).


I dug the issue deeper and examined the bluetooth status when the mouse scroll failed. Often both the Apple Wireless Keyboard and System Admin’s Mouse are both shown as disconnected, even though both clearly are connected (with the mouse only in vanilla mode). I can also see the color spinning wheel appears a lot and behaving as if bluetooth is thrashing itself to dead. I try to turn off the bluetooth but it will not turn off; indicating it is thrashing itself to death and not servicing my attempt to turn off bluetooth.


The only way to recover the scrolling function is to restart. Both the mouse and KB batteries are good. The machine has less than 10 hrs of use. Based on the symptom, it appears to be a bluetooth system software bug related to sleep and resume. Very frustrating for a brand new 5k iMac. I am not looking forward to having to haul the whole system to an apple store.


Searching the web I found many bluetooth mouse/kb/trackpad issues with Yosemite.


5k iMac, 27-inch, Late 2014

4GH Intel Core i7

8 G 1600 MHz DDR3

Radeon R9 M295x 4096 MB

3TB HDD

yosemite V 10.10

magic mouse and keyboard as shipped

Apple Bluetooth Software Version: 4.3.0f10 14890


bone stock with no newly installed software

Nov 1, 2014 7:45 PM in response to nirmalts

Count me in for new 5k iMac 27". I have been pulling my hair trying to solve this issue and was close to doing a clean install but glad to see this thread and that I'm not the only one.


I've done exactly as the OP mentioned.


SMC and PRAM reset

Removed all user profile login items that will open up.

Removed any adobe or 3rd party launchers

boot into safe mode to reset any settings.


no luck. It appears to be the bluetooth. It shows both my keyboard and trackpad as "not connected" and considers both the keyboard and trackpad as generic input devices. The keyboard hot keys for dashboard, mission control, brightness, volume, etc do not work. If you click on the volume up and down, those are now the hot keys for dashboard and mission control. This is definitely software and bluetooth issue.

Nov 1, 2014 10:35 PM in response to SF_loft

Yes. My symptoms are very much like yours. Both KB and magic mouse when "not connected" behave like they are in a "basic mode of last resort" so the user is not dead in the water. The special function keys becomes dashboard and mission control like you saw. My BT controller took a very long time to report the mouse, then the KB are "not connected". This delay probably have to do with the performance of the CPU. I have i7.


Really smell like some obscure bug that precipitates with certain system configuration. Agree with you this smell like host BT, driver, related to power management. This really stinks.


I called Apple support and took forever to get thru. No help.


I am pretty disappointed with this problem brand new out of the box.

Nov 1, 2014 11:11 PM in response to nirmalts

second the bug report comment; and include your BT diagnostics report for Apple when you report (option-click on the BT symbol at the top right when the problem happens!). The more bug reports are files, the quicker this will get priority for a software update.


vsopdx, I don't think this is related to the cpu used; the broadcom controller for BT is the same on all configurations. As nirmlalts says, please post your config so that we can compare and look for any similarities, since we have to assume not all users have been affected.

Nov 1, 2014 11:15 PM in response to DanOsers

Thanks for suggesting try to wake the system using the power switch instead of the BT kb or mouse/touchpad.

Yes! I just did the tests. I put the system into sleep. I set a timer for 10 min to be consistent before I wake the system. I did this because if the system is not in deep sleep, the symptoms do not occur.

If I wake the system with the power switch, the mouse and KB works fine. If I wake the system with the KB, they go kaput, and revert to "basic functions".

Nov 1, 2014 11:28 PM in response to vsopdx

The good news is that for all of us the problem is 100% reproducible. Several BT and WIFI issues before from Apple have never been consistent across users and took long time to fix (or still not fixed for many users). I hope that, as this problem happens with an "out of the box" iMac, it will be prioritized high and fixed soon by Apple.


What I see common across the HW configurations reported until now are


4Ghz Intel Core i7

Radeon R9 M295x 4096 MB


We still do not have a 5K user coming in and reporting that the BT devices are working fine after sleep.


If anyone could check this in an IMac 5K at Apple Store, we could reach some conclusions.

iMac 2014 5K Bluetooth Trackpad Problem after sleep

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