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Q: Lag in Typing in Yosemite's Mail w/ External Apple Keyboard

Since upgrading to Yosemite I have been having a very annoying problem with delayed typing response in Mail when I have my external USB Apple keyboard (current model with numeric pad).  It is a sporadic issue.  Typing will be responsive, then there are 2-4 second delays in response.  I have only witnessed the issue with Mail and when using the external keyboard.  Problem does not occur in other programs or when using my MacBook Pro's built in keyboard.  Nor did the problem exist prior to upgrading to Yosemite.

 

My equipment is a late 2013 MacBook Pro Retina.  When on my desk, I have it connected to a 23" Apple Display (original LCD), USB Apple Keyboard, Logitech cordless Trackman, and a Drobo firewire external drive. 

 

Has anyone else witnessed this issue?  Or have an suggestions on correcting?

 

Thank you in advance!

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X Yosemite (10.10), Mail

Posted on Nov 1, 2014 5:46 PM

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  • by fisherKing,

    fisherKing fisherKing Jan 21, 2015 2:05 PM in response to Sean Lemson
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    Jan 21, 2015 2:05 PM in response to Sean Lemson

    8.1 (1993) also. am with my client tomorrow who seems to have the issue in 10.7.5. will see if it's the same problem, or something different. it DOES seem to be that this happened since the 'final' yosemite was released...so curious if her issue is really something else. will report back...

  • by fisherKing,

    fisherKing fisherKing Jan 22, 2015 12:26 PM in response to fisherKing
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    Jan 22, 2015 12:26 PM in response to fisherKing

    my client's issue was definitely not the mail lag we've been discussing here, (she's having sluggishness with everything). so...just a yosemite issue after all? that makes the most sense. still no word of a fix? someone out there must have an idea...

  • by Alf Megson,

    Alf Megson Alf Megson Jan 22, 2015 12:41 PM in response to fisherKing
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    Jan 22, 2015 12:41 PM in response to fisherKing

    I had occasional (maybe two or three over several years) lags using Mail with earlier iterations of OS X but they were fixed with a reboot or restarting Mail. They were nothing like the consistent problem I have now.

  • by Sean Lemson,

    Sean Lemson Sean Lemson Jan 22, 2015 12:59 PM in response to fisherKing
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    Jan 22, 2015 12:59 PM in response to fisherKing

    I have confirmed by installing MenuMeters that my CPU, Disk, RAM, and Network are all yawning when this pausing is occurring.  No memory swapping, no pegged hard drive or CPU.  I expected that because if it weren't the case, the entire system would be lagging, not just Mail.

     

    I think we do have a clear consensus here that the problem is not something in our control to fix.  What we have here is bad code from Apple for Mail.  It's not a setting, it's not a memory leak.  I'm sure whatever is at the root cause is something that would explain why the problem seems to temporarily vanish when we do certain things only to reappear shortly thereafter but that's not getting away from the fact that Mail has a flaw.  For the record, none of these temporary fixes have worked for me for even a minute.

     

    I've only found these ways to keep my sanity around this:

     

    1. Type my emails in TextEdit and then copy/paste them into Mail - my current workaround.

    2. Switch to a different mail app.

    3. Hire someone to stand over my shoulder and move my trackpad around while I type - 100% effective, very expensive, have to deal with body odor.

    4. Have a third arm surgically attached to avoid #3 - Not possible with today's medical science (thankfully).

     

    So now we wait for 10.10.2.  If it doesn't fix things, I'm going to reluctantly do #2 above.

  • by Klahane,

    Klahane Klahane Jan 22, 2015 1:04 PM in response to Sean Lemson
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    Jan 22, 2015 1:04 PM in response to Sean Lemson

    3. Hire someone to stand over my shoulder and move my trackpad around while I type - 100% effective, very expensive, have to deal with body odor.

    4. Have a third arm surgically attached to avoid #3 - Not possible with today's medical science (thankfully).

    Above, I provided a Keyboard Maestro macro that will move the mouse. I have tested it briefly, and did not see any typing delay during that brief test.

    Advantages:

     

    1. Cheap (even if you have to buy KM), no body odor

    2. Much less embarrassing in public after your solution #4

  • by fisherKing,

    fisherKing fisherKing Jan 22, 2015 1:07 PM in response to Sean Lemson
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    Jan 22, 2015 1:07 PM in response to Sean Lemson

    well put. am also doing the textedit thing, but it's annoying. am not ready to move to another mail client (i've had postbox on my mac for weeks, unopened). i've considered a mouse for my foot (it rocks all the time anyway). the third arm idea...am gonna pass on that one. pray for 10.10.2 to bring us relief...

  • by AngryofMayfair,

    AngryofMayfair AngryofMayfair Jan 22, 2015 5:31 PM in response to fisherKing
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    Jan 22, 2015 5:31 PM in response to fisherKing

    Has anybody tried this:

     

    System Prefs/Keyboard/text/

    untick 'use smart quotes and dashes'

     

    That fixed my 'jumping cursor after typing an apostrophe' problem!

    Not sure at this stage if it has fixed the Mail typing lag, too early to tell.....

  • by fisherKing,

    fisherKing fisherKing Jan 22, 2015 6:14 PM in response to AngryofMayfair
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    Jan 22, 2015 6:14 PM in response to AngryofMayfair

    that didn't fix it here (tried this a while back)...

  • by Erick Mikiten,

    Erick Mikiten Erick Mikiten Jan 22, 2015 7:01 PM in response to AngryofMayfair
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    Jan 22, 2015 7:01 PM in response to AngryofMayfair

    I've tried that and I think all the other simple tweaks mentioned here thus far. No improvements - not even any temporary ones. Frequent Command-S also makes no difference for me.

     

    I'm contacting my senior advisor who confirmed this issue, and he's sending periodic requests to engineering for updates. Nothing yet.

     

    Interesting that not everybody out there is having this problem (and usually not even our coworkers sharing our LANs and WANs and running similar machines). So there may be something common to OUR machines that is arguing with Mail in the background.

     

    Here are some other things running in the background on my machine...let's look for a common denominator:

     

    In System Preferences:

    ChronoAgent

    CodeMeter

    Default Folder X

    Flash Player

    Growl

    Java

    Logitech Control Center

    TechTool Protection

     

    Non-Apple items in the Menu Bar:

    Evernote

    1Password

    Samsung SmartPanel

    DropBox

    BusyCal Menu

    DriveGenius DrivePulse

    CreativeCloud

     

    Non-Apple In Notifications Panel:

    PCalc

     

    Erick

  • by OConnorStP,

    OConnorStP OConnorStP Jan 23, 2015 5:15 AM in response to Erick Mikiten
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    Jan 23, 2015 5:15 AM in response to Erick Mikiten

    Great idea Erick.  Here's my list...  How about you others?  See any pattern emerging?

     

    Overlaps with your list:

     

    - 1Password

    - Dropbox

     

    My favorite suspect:

     

    - VMWare Fusion

  • by fisherKing,

    fisherKing fisherKing Jan 23, 2015 6:06 AM in response to OConnorStP
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    Jan 23, 2015 6:06 AM in response to OConnorStP

    i have flash and java...nothing else like your list. and i've certainly seen the issue when rebooting and opening only mail...

  • by Klahane,

    Klahane Klahane Jan 23, 2015 8:11 AM in response to Erick Mikiten
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    Jan 23, 2015 8:11 AM in response to Erick Mikiten

    In System Preferences:

    Flash Player

    HP Scanjet Scanner

     

    Non-Apple items in the Menu Bar

    DropBox

    Keyboard Maestro

    (I use 1Password, but don’t use the menu bar item.)

     

    Non-Apple In Notifications Panel:

    None

     

    And here's one to add:

    Mail extensions or add-ons

    None

     

    You'd also want to have some plausible idea of how any add-on would interact with Mail.

     

    If you're in contact with an Apple engineer, those of us who notice this issue could send a whole system report. I'm sure they have database programs to flag anything unusual that's common to the reports.

     

    For me, the issue is intermittent, but then I probably only compose a few e-mails a day. I did notice it yesterday.

  • by KirkvanDruten,

    KirkvanDruten KirkvanDruten Jan 23, 2015 8:53 AM in response to Erick Mikiten
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    Jan 23, 2015 8:53 AM in response to Erick Mikiten

    Of Erick’s list, I use/have installed:

     

    Flash Player

    Growl

    Evernote

    1Password

     

    I use BusyCal, but don’t have the menubar item enabled.

     

    Kirk out

  • by byronwolfe,

    byronwolfe byronwolfe Jan 24, 2015 12:15 PM in response to KirkvanDruten
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    Jan 24, 2015 12:15 PM in response to KirkvanDruten

    My lag has been absent for the last several weeks after struggling with it endlessly ever since upgrading to Yosemite. I wish I could offer an explanation, but I don't have one. I didn't do anything special or out of the ordinary though I have removed and added one of my two email accounts many times as I've been experimenting with other mail apps. My fiddling around (reconfiguring web mail sent folders, making various other IMAP folders) might have been a factor, but I just don't know.  While this doesn't necessarily help solve the problem, I thought I should report that for now, at least, I seemed to be cured of this horrible scourge.

  • by byronwolfe,

    byronwolfe byronwolfe Jan 24, 2015 1:03 PM in response to byronwolfe
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    Jan 24, 2015 1:03 PM in response to byronwolfe

    Nevermind. It's back. But I really was without it for about two weeks.

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