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Q: Lag in Typing in Yosemite's Mail w/ External Apple Keyboard

Since upgrading to Yosemite I have been having a very annoying problem with delayed typing response in Mail when I have my external USB Apple keyboard (current model with numeric pad).  It is a sporadic issue.  Typing will be responsive, then there are 2-4 second delays in response.  I have only witnessed the issue with Mail and when using the external keyboard.  Problem does not occur in other programs or when using my MacBook Pro's built in keyboard.  Nor did the problem exist prior to upgrading to Yosemite.

 

My equipment is a late 2013 MacBook Pro Retina.  When on my desk, I have it connected to a 23" Apple Display (original LCD), USB Apple Keyboard, Logitech cordless Trackman, and a Drobo firewire external drive. 

 

Has anyone else witnessed this issue?  Or have an suggestions on correcting?

 

Thank you in advance!

MacBook Pro with Retina display, OS X Yosemite (10.10), Mail

Posted on Nov 1, 2014 5:46 PM

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  • by R Meyer,

    R Meyer R Meyer Jan 30, 2015 2:09 PM in response to SBD88
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    Jan 30, 2015 2:09 PM in response to SBD88

    I just started poking around one day and this seems to work. Not sure why this would force it to work???

  • by astone8122,

    astone8122 astone8122 Jan 30, 2015 2:28 PM in response to R Meyer
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    Jan 30, 2015 2:28 PM in response to R Meyer

    I just enabled Slow Keys under the Accessibility settings and typed out an email.  The lag did seem to be gone but I don't like how slow it makes using the delete key.  I'm back to using Postbox until Apple comes up with a fix to this bug.

  • by fisherKing,

    fisherKing fisherKing Jan 30, 2015 2:47 PM in response to astone8122
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    Jan 30, 2015 2:47 PM in response to astone8122

    and crazy to not have the caps lock key... (altho shift helps). still, some sort-of workaround for the moment. am leaving the System Preferences>Accessiblity>Keyboard window open, so i can turn on "Enable Slow Keys"...when i'm in Mail only. thanx R Meyer!

     

    EDIT: for now, made an alias for the Accessibility pref pane, it's on my desktop. so quick access to that window...

  • by R Meyer,

    R Meyer R Meyer Jan 30, 2015 2:47 PM in response to fisherKing
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    Jan 30, 2015 2:47 PM in response to fisherKing

    Hopefully this might help Apple fix this many months long bug!!!!

  • by Sean Lemson,

    Sean Lemson Sean Lemson Jan 30, 2015 2:59 PM in response to R Meyer
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    Jan 30, 2015 2:59 PM in response to R Meyer

    I'm updating my open bug with them that this makes the lag disappear.  I can confirm that it fixes it for me but the loss of key-repeat OS wide is a killer for me.  I'm sticking with PostBox until Apple fixes it.

  • by Klahane,

    Klahane Klahane Jan 30, 2015 3:42 PM in response to R Meyer
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    Jan 30, 2015 3:42 PM in response to R Meyer
    I just started poking around one day and this seems to work. Not sure why this would force it to work???

     

    It seems completely in keeping with what many of us on this thread have said: it seems as if Mail (and only Mail) can't keep up with even moderately fast typists, and is caching characters. The cached characters then suddenly pop into view.

     

    While this seems like an excellent demonstration of what the problem is--kudos for discovering it--I can't see it as a workaround. It's just too disruptive when typing elsewhere. Even if someone can come up with a macro that makes this change every time Mail is brought to the front, losing any keyboard functionality in a keyboard-intensive app like Mail is going to be a problem.

     

    There's one observation that complicates the picture. Sometimes I notice Mail not displaying type and I just stop typing. Mail does not display the type in the cache after some time has gone by, but requires some input, like command S or space or something.

     

    As to touch or hunt 'n' peck, I suspect this is worse for the better typists. By the time my brain has switched from composition mode to noticing that characters aren't appearing on screen, I've usually typed a few characters, including backspaces, etc. I'm a moderately fast touch typist and was a professional writer, so I never look at the keyboard, but am also never looking at anything I'm copying. I watch the monitor.

  • by fisherKing,

    fisherKing fisherKing Jan 30, 2015 3:51 PM in response to Klahane
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    Jan 30, 2015 3:51 PM in response to Klahane

    am just keeping that system preference open, but hidden. when i go to mail, i check "enable slow keys". a nuisance, but a minor one, compared with dealing with the lag. and better than nothing, until there's an actual fix...

  • by Sean Lemson,

    Sean Lemson Sean Lemson Jan 30, 2015 3:53 PM in response to Klahane
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    Jan 30, 2015 3:53 PM in response to Klahane
    There's one observation that complicates the picture. Sometimes I notice Mail not displaying type and I just stop typing. Mail does not display the type in the cache after some time has gone by, but requires some input, like command S or space or something.


    ...or wiggle the mouse/move the trackpad.  That has "flushed" the characters to the screen for me 100% of the time.


    But it doesn't complicate the picture any further.  When the problem exists, it exhibits the behavior you described.  When the workaround is in place (slow keys enabled) that behavior disappears also.

  • by Klahane,

    Klahane Klahane Jan 31, 2015 4:09 PM in response to Andrew-StL
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    Jan 31, 2015 4:09 PM in response to Andrew-StL

    An observation:

     

    I was typing an e-mail with three large photos attached. I saw no lag in typing (probably just random good luck).

     

    But I did happen to notice that while I was typing, the activity pane at the lower left showed both outgoing and incoming activity. No messages were queued up for sending, and no new messages came in during that time.

     

    I've seen both outgoing and incoming activity before, but the striking thing here was that there were 7 outgoing messages showing and only one incoming. I assume that the outgoing and incoming activity is Handoff. But why seven outgoing?

     

    Also, I've seen several times that messages with photos attached remain in Drafts, even after a successful send, and the message appears in Sent.

  • by KirkvanDruten,

    KirkvanDruten KirkvanDruten Feb 3, 2015 10:19 AM in response to R Meyer
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    Feb 3, 2015 10:19 AM in response to R Meyer

    The Slow Keys is working great for me. Ahhh... thank you!

     

    I'm only experiencing one side-effect: I tend to send messages using the keyboard shortcut (Command Shift D). Sometimes when I send with Slow Keys enabled, a "D" is typed after the end of my message, rather than sending.

     

    But that's a minor price to pay to eliminate the amazingly annoying keyboard text entry delay.

     

    What other issues are people seeing by turning Slow Keys on?

     

    Kirk out

  • by jimlerner,

    jimlerner jimlerner Feb 3, 2015 10:23 AM in response to KirkvanDruten
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    Feb 3, 2015 10:23 AM in response to KirkvanDruten

    Key repeat is very slow with Slow Keys on.  Which means that backspacing a long ways is tedious.  Other than that, I agree that it works pretty well.

  • by jimlerner,

    jimlerner jimlerner Feb 3, 2015 10:23 AM in response to KirkvanDruten
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    Feb 3, 2015 10:23 AM in response to KirkvanDruten

    I agree that Slow Keys solves the problem.  The only new problem that comes with it is that key repeat rates are very slow, painful mostly for the backspace (delete) key.

  • by KirkvanDruten,

    KirkvanDruten KirkvanDruten Feb 3, 2015 11:27 AM in response to jimlerner
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    Feb 3, 2015 11:27 AM in response to jimlerner

    Slow backspacing seems a small price to pay for forward-typing sanity.

     

    Yay!

     

    Kirk out

  • by fisherKing,

    fisherKing fisherKing Feb 3, 2015 11:49 AM in response to KirkvanDruten
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    Feb 3, 2015 11:49 AM in response to KirkvanDruten

    slow keys is great with mail, but still hope a fix comes before it's time for 10.11....

  • by OConnorStP,

    OConnorStP OConnorStP Feb 4, 2015 5:47 AM in response to Andrew-StL
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    Feb 4, 2015 5:47 AM in response to Andrew-StL

    Argh!  It's back with a vengeance today -- slow-keys is turned on and I'm back to square one.  But I have more clues.  My keyboard appears to be frantically trying to determine what international character to type -- eg all the versions of "e" - è,é ê ë ē ė ę.  I don't know what this capability is called, so I can't figure out how to turn it off.  The other interesting thing is that the Keyboard Setup Assistant (the "change keyboard" option within the Preferences -> Keyboard) can't identify my keyboard.  It asks me to type a key to the right of the shift key, and then fails. So can somebody point me at the place to turn off that character-substitution function? 

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