Q: Serious lag in LP9/X in Yosemite

I too am having major issues since Yosemite. Can't stop playback, cannot make any edits during playback, and many other "strange" happenings. It doesn't happen always, only at random. CPU is fine even with minimal plugins. Hopefully there will be an update to fix these issues. At times Logic is unusable!

Test21,

This is why it is recommended that Users not upgrade to Yosemite....   or any major update to OS X right away.

It always seems to happen.. A major update to OS X breaks something with Logic.... or with external device drivers ... or whatever else...

Advice before upgrading to Yosemite

Unfortunately at the moment.. and it may well be some time yet before real fixes are available.. it is recommended that users roll back to the previous OS X / Logic Combo whenever possible.. using their backups... and stick with that combo until such time as these issues are properly resolved and fixes fully tested.

i am a rather new user of apple's computers i have a retina MBP 2013. something i learned before is if your daw is working properly on a system never update till the later versions of the next os. the gripe is that on my retina laptop logic X graphic UI is laggy as (fill in the blanks). it is already clear that logic x performs better on some 2009 macbook pros. i was hoping for yosemite to fix this issue but it seems it hasn't succeeded yet. looking forward for it to happen though

Same problem here in two of the recording studio's in the building.

Since we have been forced to upgrade to Mavericks/ Yosemite (NI doesn't support earlier systems), Logic9 has two interesting problems:

• An input lag. Press a control, mixer, any plug in and it can take up to around 38 seconds to respond.  Obviously impossible to work with. Sometimes we get a few minutes where it's okay but can only work for around 20 mins at a time. We usually work 12 hour days so that's piled up.

• Completely white/ Blank screens and crash.  Most of our logic sessions now have (crashed)(crashed)(crashed)(crashed)(crashed) tagged on to them.

The last few years in audio production with apple have been incredibly frustrating. They're moving too fast and making too many money-wasting mistakes for us small media businesses to keep up with.

1) Input Lag - I have never had this problem at all with LP9 and any OS X until Yosemite... so for example my current testbed Mac with 10.9.4 and LP9.1.8 works fine with no lag at all... On my testbed Mac that has Yosemite installed with LP9/.1.8 is just plain unstable so i can't tell if I have input lag or not!

I suspect the lag with LP9 and earlier OS X versions.. as has been widely discussed here and elsewhere.. is actually related to different hardware and software incompatibilities and configurations... and the different working methods used...

2) Crashes - LP9.1.8 and Mavericks 10.9.4 is completely stable here and has been so for a long time. I haven't upgraded to 10.9.5 because of the known issues with certain older plugins and issues regarding sandboxing I believe... but I do know of some people who claim stability under 10.9.5 too....

A copy of an example of the full crash log, if you could post one up here, might point to a possible cause or causes... Again, I have found certain hardware configurations such as Macs with Retina displays or Hybrid HDs, seem much more susceptible to such issues than others... but more often it's simply a faulty upgrade/update at some point.. that has led to such instability and crashes... much akin to the infamous Prokit update problem from the Leopard to SL update days...  that took 2 years to properly identify and fix!

Note: Personally i am still using LP9.1.5 and 10.6.8 for my main studio rig as that has proven itself to be the most stable and efficient combination at this time.. and while you are right, that NI officially requires later versions of OS X these days, there are workarounds you can use to  enable the latest versions of Kontakt for example to run under Snow Leopard... Often the issue is not about the plugins themselves running under SL..  but the installers not installing under older OS X versions so the use of Pacifist to manually install, is one such workaround I have used myself

Of course that doesn't resolve the issue of modern hardware not being supported by SL... which then rules out using such hardware/OS X combos... but again, there is a wealth of info out there.. regarding unofficial workarounds that can elevate such problems.... mainly from sites/forums that support non apple hardware computers....

Over the past week I've had three calls from local users whom I used to do support for, these aren't pro studios, mainly individuals with personal studios who've been at it quite some time. Those who've stuck with Logic 9 are having major problems on Mavericks and found Yosemite unusable. Logic-X does better than L9 on Mavericks and Yosemite but suffers significant performance issues, slow graphics, reduced track count, general instability.

It was a relief to Not be able to help or try and troubleshoot their systems, not because I didn't want to but because I've stuck with a working Snow Leopard/L9 combination. I generally attribute the L9-Mavericks instability to 3rd party plugins but it's difficult to tell. No one wanted to do a clean install of Mavericks which may have helped the performance issues. 

It's pretty obvious that continued OS development and Apple's urgency in getting OSX and iOS under a single development platform is causing major problems with pro apps. Users who've purchased new machines that only run Yosemite or newer may never have the stability and performance of L9 running on and older computer/OSX version.

I have a similar job!  Schools and private institutions with Logic/Mac setups (since "Micrologic"… anyone else remember that? Recording Midi Sysex xxxx's into Logic from W30's and Wavestations…?).

Anyway:

Art of Sound had some good points, specially about the Retina/Hybrid thing. And prokit!  That was a big fail for us and stuffed up the motion graphics/video production pipeline for a while there.  Another reason to keep an old mac around.   I still have a Snow Leopard studio backup drive for Logic, which is stable as a tank.

PARTIAL SOLUTION

Blergh, Going through each plug in one by one and figuring out which are lagging the most.

Some certainly were not helping the problem, some logic sessions simply won't load any longer in Yosemite, but an update of most of the plug in's did bring the problem back to a workable state with fewer crashes.  They're mainly kernel panics btw so no crash logs.

Thanks people. This has been a good wad of answers:)

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     As a side note, workarounds are great for us oldies but most musicians young and old will simply switch off and give up if the tech requires anything more complex than what serves their needs at that time. Specially if it's uncreative. 

     We generally try to ramp up their experience without introducing complexity: guaranteed that if a traditional folk musician (for instance) has to learn something as uncreative as "which version works with what version and why the screen keeps swiping and notifying them of stocks…", they will give up immediately, just watch the eyes glaze over and the hand reach for a guitar and a tape machine…

www.andybird.net wrote:

 

I have a similar job!  Schools and private institutions with Logic/Mac setups (since "Micrologic"… anyone else remember that? Recording Midi Sysex xxxx's into Logic from W30's and Wavestations…?).

 

     As a side note, workarounds are great for us oldies but most musicians young and old will simply switch off and give up if the tech requires anything more complex than what serves their needs at that time. Specially if it's uncreative.

     We generally try to ramp up their experience without introducing complexity: guaranteed that if a traditional folk musician (for instance) has to learn something as uncreative as "which version works with what version and why the screen keeps swiping and notifying them of stocks…", they will give up immediately, just watch the eyes glaze over and the hand reach for a guitar and a tape machine…

Actually, I do remember recording sysex, from many modules, as I remember, the W30 could actually save samples via MIDI, it took quite some time, much longer than the current attention span of most adults. I go way back to DX-7 programming using a Commodore 64, and what could be the very first version of what became Logic Scoretrack by C-Lab. (written by Gerhard Lengeling).

You're right about ramping up experience without introducing too much complexity, but really, as a part time educator... anything can be creative if it's approached correctly and connections are made. (but I know what you mean) Good luck, keep us informed. My main disappointment these days and it's directly related to what you just posted. People would rather be shown something than reading and trying to figure it out on their own. There's been users in this forum that have searched for days on youtube posting "please help me" over and over rather than take a few minutes to search the manual or Logic's help file.

It's a different type of learning that's happening and can appreciate that it's in the service of being creative. Personally, I'd rather see the blend of the two.

I have a same problem - iMac Retina (5k), 256 SSD, i7, 4gb GPU.

I found this advice:

Go to Applications Click on Logic and get info

turn OFF the Retina stuff. It doesn't work right at the moment with 10.10. There should be an update coming soon for it.

This is very helpfull. Still waiting for Logic Pro X update...

very useful. that sorted it on my end. still on mavericks, mbp retina 15 inch late 2013

i like it just as much in non retina mode, looks wise, even better not to mention the GUI is neat

I have two 3rd party SSDs... both are Samsung 840 pro. I had to roll back to Mavericks as working with Yosemite was unbearable.

nikoli1978 wrote:

 

I have two 3rd party SSDs... both are Samsung 840 pro. I had to roll back to Mavericks as working with Yosemite was unbearable.

Note: The issues with Yosemite are not related to Disk i/o speed..... It's mainly related to Graphical/GUI performance....