Gamma shift from After Effects

Hi,

We had to apply graphic work over a QuickTime Uncompressed 8 bit footage from Final Cut Pro.

The graphic work was done in After Effects.

The After Effect output was done using QuickTime Uncompressed 8 bit, the very same codec.

...but all the footage has a gamma shift ( upward ) and a slightly increased color saturation...

What's wrong ?

If we export Uncompressed 8 bit from FCP and reimport in FCP, there is NO gamma shift. ...so it seems to be an After Effect setting (or problem).

thanks !

Posted on Sep 29, 2006 11:13 AM

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Sep 29, 2006 8:59 PM in response to Antoine Fabi2

I am not sure what the problem is. Even if there is no gamma shift in mov files, I have found RGB files or graphics created in AE always get a gammashift. This will not happen in FCP 4, and supposedly the 5.1.2 update fixes this shift also. It started with FCP 5, and many people have been ******** about AE>FCP gamma shifts, if you search around on the web. . .

Sep 30, 2006 2:59 PM in response to Felix Mack

Hi,

we have recognised gamma problems arising when working between After Effects PC workstations and MACs with FCP. As you all might know Final Cut Pro thinks all the RGB footage (stills, quicktime with animation codec etc.) you import is made with gamma 1,8 and that is not the case with PCs which have gamma of 2,2. So before rendering anything from PC to MAC you should make in After Effects gamma correction 0.824 with levels filter to get accurate colors.

Another strange problem is when you open Uncompressed 8-bit .mov -files with PCs. It always seems to be little bit too bright. We compensate this strange bug by making gamma correction of 0.89 when importing uncompressed 8-bit .mov -files to our PC After Effects workstations.

I hope Apple would fix that bug someday...

G5 DP2.5 (3.5GB RAM) Mac OS X (10.4.5) FCP 5.04, AJA Io, XSAN 1.2

Oct 4, 2006 5:03 AM in response to Antoine Fabi2

In general it has nothing to do with 1,8 gamma and 2,2 gamma. PC or Mac, it doesn't matter. Gamma is something you set up in your system, it won't affect your linear RGB graphics. I can set up my Mac to run 2,2 gamma ...

Please explain what you did with After Effects. Did you apply filters and effects to uncompressed 8-Bit footage from FCP or did you create solid and text layers inside After Effects. Are you working with imported Photoshop graphics in After Effects too?

Oct 4, 2006 12:07 PM in response to Björn Adamski

Well I must specify that we haven't had any problems with gamma when working between After Effects and FCP in Mac OS X. It's just if you bring some material from PC to MAC you might notice that graphics are too bright, because FCP thinks all the RGB material is made with gamma 1.8. So FCP maps RGB colors to YUV (television colorspace used by DV, Uncompressed 8-bit etc.) with gamma 1.8.

BTW FCP doesn't collaborate with color management in OS X. So it doesn't make any difference how FCP handles RGB material if you change OS X gamma to 2.2.

FCP works in YUV and After Effects in RGB so that's why you don't see gamma problems when exporting material from FCP. I think you should first check from Apple Software Update you have the newest Pro Applications Update. I remember Uncompressed 8-bit codec had this kind of gamma problem with After Effecs couple updates before.

G5 DP2.5 (3.5GB RAM) Mac OS X (10.4.5) FCP 5.04, AJA Io, XSAN 1.2

Oct 5, 2006 6:42 AM in response to Antoine Fabi2

Only a text layer and some animated elements were
applied over the the uncompressed 8-bit file.
No filters were applied to the footage in AE.


Ok, the footage looks the same after rendering, right?
Just the Text and other animated elements are different,
they are to bright.

Apply this filter to your layers, excluding the original
clips from FCP:

Image Control -> Gamma/Pedestal/Gain

Set Red, Green and Blue Gamma to: 0,822

This will nearly give you the same results in FCP like
in AE when rendering out again to 8-Bit uncompressed.

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