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Nov 20, 2014 9:03 AM in response to wmlwoodsby Kurt Lang,Does the space bar on your computer not work?
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Nov 20, 2014 12:29 PM in response to Kurt Langby wmlwoods,Thanks Kurt. I couldn't tell you. When I restarted after installing Yosemite via App Store, I simply get a gray white screen, but an Apple logo never shows up. No keyboard functions that I know of changed that. I have restarted multiple times with no change. I can't do any kind of recovery boot.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:38 PM in response to wmlwoodsby Kurt Lang,If it's a new enough Mac (any model released with Lion or later), you should always be able to do an Internet Recovery startup. Try again, only hold down Command+Option+R. I know you already noted that above, but that should always work, unless the Mac is a pre-Lion model.
To find out for sure, go to this page and enter the Mac's serial number there (don't post it here). On the resulting page which shows your exact model Mac, post a link to that page here.
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Nov 20, 2014 12:57 PM in response to Kurt Langby wmlwoods,I tried again to go into recovery mode, but nothing happened. My iMac is a late 2009 Core I& 2.8 GHz 27", Model A1312, Model ID iMac11,1
Anything else to try? Thanks again for your help!!
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Nov 20, 2014 1:19 PM in response to wmlwoodsby Kurt Lang,Okay, that makes it this one. Internet Recovery doesn't work because it shipped with Snow Leopard, 10.6.2. The firmware doesn't support that. You'll need to locate the original gray DVDs the Mac came with to reinstall the original OS.
However, you have multiple issues going on. Or at least, it seems so. The gray screen may simply mean that the Mac starts to boot to the hard drive, but the data is so mangled from an incomplete install that it hangs partway through. The same would likely apply to a Recovery Mode startup (Command+R, no Option key, which starts to the hidden partition on the hard drive). It and the main partition may both be in an un-bootable state.
Worst case scenario would be the a hardware fault, like a bad system board. Note that installing Yosemite can't do that on its own. A fault like that would have crapped out eventually, one way or another. Though I doubt that's the problem.
If you have information on the hard drive you must retrieve, you're going to need an external drive. Because from the sounds of things, you are not going to able to do anything with the internal drive to make it bootable other than to erase it and start from scratch. If you install the original OS onto an external drive first, that would at least allow you to view the internal hard drive (assuming nothing is wrong with it) and copy data off before erasing it.
So your first step is finding the original gray disk and booting to that. Put the disk in, restart (you may need to force the Mac off first by holding in the power button), then immediately after starting it up, hold the C key to boot to the DVD. If that works, you know the Mac itself is functional. You won't be able to view the contents of hard drive while booted to the DVD, so you'll still need an external drive to install Snow Leopard to in order to give yourself an opportunity to copy important data off the internal drive, first.
Sorry, forgot to ask. Do you have a backup of any kind you can restore?
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Nov 20, 2014 1:37 PM in response to wmlwoodsby Linc Davis,Take each of these steps that you haven't already tried. Stop when the problem is resolved.
To restart an unresponsive computer, press and hold the power button for a few seconds until the power shuts off, then release, wait a few more seconds, and press it again briefly.
Step 1
The first step in dealing with a startup failure is to secure the data. If you want to preserve the contents of the startup drive, and you don't already have at least one current backup, you must try to back up now, before you do anything else. It may or may not be possible. If you don't care about the data that has changed since the last backup, you can skip this step.
There are several ways to back up a Mac that is unable to start. You need an external hard drive to hold the backup data.
a. Start up from the Recovery partition, or from a local Time Machine backup volume (option key at startup.) When the OS X Utilities screen appears, launch Disk Utility and follow the instructions in this support article, under “Instructions for backing up to an external hard disk via Disk Utility.” The article refers to starting up from a DVD, but the procedure in Recovery mode is the same. You don't need a DVD if you're running OS X 10.7 or later.
b. If Step 1a fails because of disk errors, and no other Mac is available, then you may be able to salvage some of your files by copying them in the Finder. If you already have an external drive with OS X installed, start up from it. Otherwise, if you have Internet access, follow the instructions on this page to prepare the external drive and install OS X on it. You'll use the Recovery installer, rather than downloading it from the App Store.
c. If you have access to a working Mac, and both it and the non-working Mac have FireWire or Thunderbolt ports, start the non-working Mac in target disk mode. Use the working Mac to copy the data to another drive. This technique won't work with USB, Ethernet, Wi-Fi, or Bluetooth.
d. If the internal drive of the non-working Mac is user-replaceable, remove it and mount it in an external enclosure or drive dock. Use another Mac to copy the data.
Step 2
If the startup process stops at a blank gray screen with no Apple logo or spinning "daisy wheel," then the startup volume may be full. If you had previously seen warnings of low disk space, this is almost certainly the case. You might be able to start up in safe mode even though you can't start up normally. Otherwise, start up from an external drive, or else use the technique in Step 1b, 1c, or 1d to mount the internal drive and delete some files. According to Apple documentation, you need at least 9 GB of available space on the startup volume (as shown in the Finder Info window) for normal operation.
Step 3
Sometimes a startup failure can be resolved by resetting the NVRAM.
Step 4
If a desktop Mac hangs at a plain gray screen with a movable cursor, the keyboard may not be recognized. Press and hold the button on the side of an Apple wireless keyboard to make it discoverable. If need be, replace or recharge the batteries. If you're using a USB keyboard connected to a hub, connect it to a built-in port.
Step 5
If there's a built-in optical drive, a disc may be stuck in it. Follow these instructions to eject it.
Step 6
Press and hold the power button until the power shuts off. Disconnect all wired peripherals except those needed to start up, and remove all aftermarket expansion cards. Use a different keyboard and/or mouse, if those devices are wired. If you can start up now, one of the devices you disconnected, or a combination of them, is causing the problem. Finding out which one is a process of elimination.
Step 7
If you've started from an external storage device, make sure that the internal startup volume is selected in the Startup Disk pane of System Preferences.
Start up in safe mode. Note: If FileVault is enabled in OS X 10.9 or earlier, or if a firmware password is set, or if the startup volume is a software RAID, you can’t do this. Post for further instructions.
Safe mode is much slower to start and run than normal, and some things won’t work at all, including wireless networking on certain Macs.
The login screen appears even if you usually log in automatically. You must know the login password in order to log in. If you’ve forgotten the password, you will need to reset it before you begin.
When you start up in safe mode, it's normal to see a dark gray progress bar on a light gray background. If the progress bar gets stuck for more than a few minutes, or if the system shuts down automatically while the progress bar is displayed, the startup volume is corrupt and the drive is probably malfunctioning. In that case, go to Step 11. If you ever have another problem with the drive, replace it immediately.
If you can start and log in in safe mode, empty the Trash, and then open the Finder Info window on the startup volume ("Macintosh HD," unless you gave it a different name.) Check that you have at least 9 GB of available space, as shown in the window. If you don't, copy as many files as necessary to another volume (not another folder on the same volume) and delete the originals. Deletion isn't complete until you empty the Trash again. Do this until the available space is more than 9 GB. Then restart as usual (i.e., not in safe mode.)
If the startup process hangs again, the problem is likely caused by a third-party system modification that you installed. Post for further instructions.
Step 8
Launch Disk Utility in Recovery mode (see Step 1.) Select the startup volume, then run Repair Disk. If any problems are found, repeat until clear. If Disk Utility reports that the volume can't be repaired, the drive has malfunctioned and should be replaced. You might choose to tolerate one such malfunction in the life of the drive. In that case, erase the volume and restore from a backup. If the same thing ever happens again, replace the drive immediately.
This is one of the rare situations in which you should also run Repair Permissions, ignoring the false warnings it may produce. Look for the line "Permissions repair complete" at the end of the output. Then restart as usual.
Step 9
If the startup device is an aftermarket SSD, it may need a firmware update and/or a forced "garbage collection." Instructions for doing this with a Crucial-branded SSD were posted here. Some of those instructions may apply to other brands of SSD, but you should check with the vendor's tech support.
Step 10
Reinstall the OS. If the Mac was upgraded from an older version of OS X, you’ll need the Apple ID and password you used to upgrade.
Step 11
Do as in Step 9, but this time erase the startup volume in Disk Utility before installing. The system should automatically restart into the Setup Assistant. Follow the prompts to transfer the data from a Time Machine or other backup.
Step 12
This step applies only to models that have a logic-board ("PRAM") battery: all Mac Pro's and some others (not current models.) Both desktop and portable Macs used to have such a battery. The logic-board battery, if there is one, is separate from the main battery of a portable. A dead logic-board battery can cause a startup failure. Typically the failure will be preceded by loss of the settings for the startup disk and system clock. See the user manual for replacement instructions. You may have to take the machine to a service provider to have the battery replaced.
Step 13
If you get this far, you're probably dealing with a hardware fault. Make a "Genius" appointment at an Apple Store, or go to another authorized service provider.
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Nov 20, 2014 1:38 PM in response to Kurt Langby wmlwoods,Kurt,
I'm sure that I have the original DVDs and I do have a Time Machine back-up. However, I have a bootable drive that I've hooked up, but the system won't start up on it. Tried holding down the option key while restarting, and my startup disc options never appear. I'll let you know if I get the same problem with the original system DVDs.
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Nov 20, 2014 1:40 PM in response to wmlwoodsby Kurt Lang,That doesn't sound good. If the DVD doesn't work either, you may need to bring it in to an Apple store to have them look it over.
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Nov 20, 2014 2:01 PM in response to Kurt Langby wmlwoods,I agree. I never mentioned that I never hear the startup "sound" when I try to restart. Just a light gray screen, then silence. I've arranged for service tomorrow. Thanks again for your help!!!
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Nov 20, 2014 2:03 PM in response to Linc Davisby wmlwoods,Linc,
Thanks for your advice. I've already tried your suggestions to no avail. I never get a startup "sound", just a light gray screen then silence, even why I try to startup with my original system software DVD.
I arranged for service tomorrow.
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Nov 20, 2014 4:29 PM in response to wmlwoodsby Kurt Lang,The lack of a startup chime does usually mean hardware trouble. Hope it's nothing too serious.