I'm thinking of upgrading from 10.6.8 Snow Leopard to OS X Yosemite. Does anyone know of any problems associated with this? What are the implications / consequences of installing Yosemite? Does it effect functionality of v10.6.8 software or hardware?

I'm thinking of upgrading from v10.6.8 Snow Leopard to OS X Yosemite. I know, I'm years behind, but it has become a necessity. My Mac is becoming slow and is incompatible with many softwares and websites. Does anyone know of any problems associated with this upgrade? What are the implications and/or consequences of installing Yosemite? Does it effect functionality of v10.6.8 software or hardware? Are there any precautions I should take before the installation? I have read some posts about Macs slowing right down after installing Yosemite. Any insights and information (in layman's terms please!) would be very useful. Thanks.

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Dec 4, 2014 8:51 AM

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Dec 4, 2014 12:23 PM in response to Gunny64

Hello Gunny64 and welcome to the community.


First, of all, based on your statements, if you are having issues with your MacBook Pro now, no system upgrade/update is going to solve your Mac's issues.

In most cases, it makes your Mac's performance issues even worse, no matter what OS X upgrade or update it is.

If your system is running slow, we first need to find and why and solve those issues before any thing else can happen.


It would help us to help you if we could have some more technical info about your iMac.

If you choose, please go ahead and download, install and run Etrecheck.

Etrecheck was developed as a simple Mac diagnostic report tool by a regular Apple Support forum user and technical support contributor named Etresoft.

Etrecheck is a small, unobstrusive app that compiles a static snapshot of your entire Mac hardware system and installed software.

This is a free app that has been honestly created to provided help in diagnosing issues with Macs running both OS X Snow Leopard and later OS X versions.

It is not malware and can be safely downloaded and installed onto your Mac.


http://www.etresoft.com/etrecheck


Copy/paste and post its report here in another reply thread so that we have a complete profile of your Mac's hardware and installed software so we can all help with your Mac performance issues.

Next if you are still using the most up to date version of Apple Safari for OS X 10.6.8 and still having issues with websites, you can install an alternate, dedicated web browser that can be updated regularly without upgrading your operating system.

Do a search for and download and install Mozilla FireFox and try using that as your Web browser of choice for awhile.


What software do you use that you need to upgrade the OS to use a more current version?


We need to deal with your immediate problems, first, before I will/can give you and plan and procedures for upgrading your Mac's OS X system

Dec 4, 2014 1:27 PM in response to Gunny64

Upgrading to OS X Yosemite will include a newer version of Safari, so you shouldn't experience too much website incompatibility if you upgrade. If your Mac is running slow on Snow Leopard, it may or may not get worse in OS X Yosemite. You should have at least 4GB of RAM to run Yosemite (the minimum requirement is 2GB) - if you're not sure how much you have, the EtreCheck report Michel mentioned can answer that. OS X Mavericks and later include advanced power- and memory-saving technologies which may compensate for slowness. The only crucial thing you usually have to worry about when upgrading from OS X 10.6.8 to a later version is whether your applications will still work - Power PC applications are not supported in OS X 10.7 and later.

Dec 5, 2014 6:57 AM in response to stevejobsfan0123

Application Compatibility

Check that your computer is compatible with Mountain Lion/Mavericks/Yosemite.

To check the model number hold down the option/alt key, go to the Apple menu and select System Information.


MacBook Pro (Mid/Late 2007 or newer) model number 3,1 or higher


Your Mac needs:

  • OS X v10.6.8 or OS X Lion already installed
  • 2 GB or more of memory (More is better - 4 GB minimum seems to be the consensus)
  • 8 GB or more of available space

Dec 6, 2014 2:42 AM in response to MichelPM

Huge thanks for your response Michel. I apologise for the delay in getting back to you. I have done as you suggested, the details are pasted below. Clearly there are some applications I need to remove and no doubt my HD could do with a 'spring clean'. My Mac 'Safe Booted' when I turned it on this morning.


I use many different softwares, some web-based. The decision to upgrade to OSX Yosemite is because I was unable to attend a Webinar this week using GoToMeeting downloadable software. GoToMeeting have upgraded their system and my OS is no longer supported. Other websites like VImeo no longer support my version of Safari. I tend to use Chrome if Safari isn't compatible.


Problem description:

I'm thinking of upgrading from v10.6.8 Snow Leopard to OS X Yosemite. However I have noticed that my MacBook Pro becoming ‘slow’ over the last 3 weeks and therefore might have some issues that need to be resolved before I even consider installing OSX Yosemite. Over the last week my Mac has Safe Booted on three occasions, so clearly there’s a ‘glitch’ occurring.


EtreCheck version: 2.1.1 (104)

Report generated 6 December 2014 10:21:01 GMT


Hardware Information: ℹ️

MacBook Pro (15-inch, Early 2011) (Verified)

MacBook Pro - model: MacBookPro8,2

1 2 GHz Intel Core i7 CPU: 4-core

4 GB RAM

BANK 0/DIMM0

2 GB DDR3 1333 MHz ok

BANK 1/DIMM0

2 GB DDR3 1333 MHz ok

Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported

Wireless: en1: 802.11 a/b/g/n


Video Information: ℹ️

AMD Radeon HD 6490M - VRAM: 256 MB

Color LCD 1440 x 900

Intel HD Graphics 3000 - VRAM: 384 MB


System Software: ℹ️

Mac OS X 10.6.8 (10K549) - Uptime: 0:35:42


Disk Information: ℹ️

Hitachi HTS545050B9A302 disk0 : (465.76 GB)

S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified

- (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

Macintosh HD (disk0s2) / : 499.76 GB (236.21 GB free)


HL-DT-ST DVDRW GS31N


USB Information: ℹ️

Apple Inc. FaceTime HD Camera (Built-in)

Apple Inc. Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad

Apple Inc. BRCM2070 Hub

Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller

Microsoft Microsoft® Nano Transceiver v2.0

Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver


Thunderbolt Information: ℹ️

Apple, Inc. MacBook Pro


Configuration files: ℹ️

/etc/launchd.conf - Exists


Adware: ℹ️

Geneio [Remove]


Kernel Extensions: ℹ️

/System/Library/Extensions

[not loaded] com.flipvideo.IOUSBCameraMassStorage (1.0.1) [Support]

[loaded] com.microsoft.driver.MicrosoftMouse (8.2) [Support]


/System/Library/Extensions/MicrosoftMouse.kext/Contents/PlugIns

[not loaded] com.microsoft.driver.MicrosoftMouseBluetooth (8.2) [Support]

[loaded] com.microsoft.driver.MicrosoftMouseUSB (8.2) [Support]


Startup Items: ℹ️

HWNetMgr: Path: /Library/StartupItems/HWNetMgr

HWPortDetect: Path: /Library/StartupItems/HWPortDetect

Startup items are obsolete in OS X Yosemite


Problem System Launch Daemons: ℹ️

[not loaded] org.samba.winbindd.plist [Support]


Launch Agents: ℹ️

[running] com.flipvideo.FlipShare.AutoRun.plist [Support]

[loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist [Support]

[running] com.trusteer.rapport.rapportd.plist [Support]


Launch Daemons: ℹ️

[loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist [Support]

[running] com.flipvideo.FlipShareServer.launchd.plist [Support]

[loaded] com.google.keystone.daemon.plist [Support]

[running] com.trusteer.rooks.rooksd.plist [Support]


User Launch Agents: ℹ️

[loaded] com.adobe.ARM.[...].plist [Support]

[failed] com.apple.CSConfigDotMacCert-@me.com-SharedServices.Agent.plist [Details]

[invalid?] com.citrixonline.GoToMeeting.G2MUpdate.plist [Support]

[loaded] com.genieo.completer.download.plist Adware! [Remove]

[loaded] com.genieo.completer.update.plist Adware! [Remove]


User Login Items: ℹ️

None


Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️

o1dbrowserplugin: Version: 5.38.6.0 - SDK 10.8 [Support]

Google Earth Web Plug-in: Version: 7.1 [Support]

OfficeLiveBrowserPlugin: Version: 12.3.6 [Support]

RealPlayer Plugin: Version: Unknown

AdobePDFViewerNPAPI: Version: 10.1.12 [Support]

FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 15.0.0.239 - SDK 10.6 [Support]

Flash Player: Version: 15.0.0.239 - SDK 10.6 [Support]

iPhotoPhotocast: Version: 7.0 - SDK 10.7

googletalkbrowserplugin: Version: 5.38.6.0 - SDK 10.8 [Support]

QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.6.6

AdobePDFViewer: Version: 10.1.12 [Support]

CANONiMAGEGATEWAYDL: Version: 2.1.0.1 [Support]

CANONiMAGEGATEWAYLI: Version: 2.1.0.1 [Support]

EPPEX Plugin: Version: 3.0.5.0 [Support]

JavaAppletPlugin: Version: 13.9.8 - SDK 10.6 Check version


User internet Plug-ins: ℹ️

BrowserPlus_2.9.8: Version: 2.9.8 [Support]

CitrixOnlineWebDeploymentPlugin: Version: 1.0.105 [Support]


Safari Extensions: ℹ️

Omnibar Adware! [Remove]

My eBay Manager

Add To Amazon Wish List


Audio Plug-ins: ℹ️

iSightAudio: Version: 7.6.6


3rd Party Preference Panes: ℹ️

3ivx MPEG-4 [Support]

BrowserPlus [Support]

Flash Player [Support]

Microsoft Mouse [Support]

Perian [Support]

Trusteer Endpoint Protection [Support]


Time Machine: ℹ️

Time Machine information requires OS X 10.7 "Lion" or later.


Top Processes by CPU: ℹ️

26% Safari

2% WindowServer

2% activitymonitord

1% PluginProcess

0% WebProcess


Top Processes by Memory: ℹ️

405 MB WebProcess

301 MB Safari

125 MB Mail

116 MB rapportd

116 MB mds


Virtual Memory Information: ℹ️

1.02 GB Free RAM

1.78 GB Active RAM

429 MB Inactive RAM

1.07 GB Wired RAM

422 MB Page-ins

0 B Page-outs


Diagnostics Information: ℹ️

Dec 6, 2014, 09:45:53 AM Self test - passed

Dec 5, 2014, 11:49:18 PM QTKitServer_2014-12-05-234918_[redacted].crash

Dec 6, 2014 2:47 AM in response to Eric Root

Thanks Eric,


Please see the EtreCheck report above. I'm pretty sure my MacBook is compatible but I suspect I don't have enough GBs for the upgrade to Yosemite. However, no doubt I could make more space availiable. There's probably a lot of 'junk' on my HD! My system is only 4GB, and it looks as if I'm using about half of that.


Best wishes,

Andrew

(Gunny64)

Dec 6, 2014 6:41 AM in response to Gunny64

Much of the slow down can be directly attributed to the garbage on your system. You have at least two known adware items, which EtreCheck has noted in red. Genieo and Omnibar. You can use Adware Medic to remove those.


You also have a lot of garbage plugins loaded in Safari. Basically every app Google writes is junk. They are all known to eat up RAM, cause memory leaks, and other instabilities. RealPlayer has been known since it first appeared years ago to be one of the worst written pieces of junk under both Mac and Windows. Get rid of it.


Remove at least these items from your plugins:


o1dbrowserplugin: Version: 5.38.6.0 - SDK 10.8 [Support]

Google Earth Web Plug-in: Version: 7.1 [Support]

RealPlayer Plugin: Version: Unknown

googletalkbrowserplugin: Version: 5.38.6.0 - SDK 10.8 [Support]


If you have Google's Chrome web browser, dump that, too. Use either Safari or Firefox.


Beyond that part of it, be aware that any PowerPC apps you own will not run in Lion or later.

Dec 6, 2014 7:01 AM in response to Gunny64

Written by Thomas Reed, a long time poster and the ‘expert’ on malware.


Malware Guide – Adware – 10.6 and under


Genieo Uninstall


Genieo Uninstall (2) see post by Linc Davis


Get rid of Trusteer. It doesn’t work well under Mac OS.


Trusteer Rapport Uninstall


Application Compatibility

Applications Compatibility (2)


Once you get the computer working well, one option is to create a new partition (~30- 50 GB), install the new OS, and ‘test drive’ it. If you like/don’t like it it, you can then remove the partition. Do a backup before you do anything. By doing this, if you don’t like it you won't have to go though the revert process.

Dec 7, 2014 2:22 AM in response to Kurt Lang

Hi Kurt,


Thanks again. Unfortunately v10.6.8 does not support AdwareMedic. There is a manual removal method offered on the AdwareMedic site, so I'll have to do it using this method. Although I'm a little nervous about doing it.


I'm assuming that the removal of Geneio, Omnibar, RealPlayer and the plugins is not a matter of simply Deleting/Move to Trash? Am I right in thinking that they need to be completely 'uninstalled' using either software (AdwareMedic) or by a more involved manual method?


In my EtreCheck report there are some Startup Items highlighted in red also. Do these items need to be removed too?


Unfortunately I need to keep the Chrome browser. It's the only browser that supports Facebook's Power Editor which I use for my Facebook advertising campaigns. It's also useful on some other sites that do not like my version of Safari.


Just to update you guys: My Mac 'Safe Booted' again this morning. Also when I logged out and switched off last night the screen turned blue and stayed that way without turning off. I had to press the power button to shut down the Mac. Perhaps there is more to this than just Adware, as I wasn't having these problems three weeks ago?


Big thanks,

Andrew

Dec 7, 2014 2:28 AM in response to Eric Root

Many thanks Eric,

I will read all these uninstall guides and remove all the offending items later today. I appreciate your advice and help. Please also see my response to Kurt.

I don't know what a 'partition' is or how to create one, it's beyond my knowledge and experience. However, once I have my Mac's performance back to normal I will consider your advice.


Best wishes,

Andrew

Dec 7, 2014 7:13 AM in response to Gunny64

You are welcome.


I'm assuming that the removal of Geneio, Omnibar, RealPlayer and the plugins is not a matter of simply Deleting/Move to Trash? Am I right in thinking that they need to be completely 'uninstalled' using either software (AdwareMedic) or by a more involved manual method?


Yes, they need to be completely removed. Dragging them to the trash won't get rid of all their effects.


The startup items are okay as long as you are using 10.6. They will not work if you upgrade to 10.10.


Don't forget to get rid of Trusteer Rapport.


You create a partition using Applications/Utilities/Disk Utility/Partition.

Dec 7, 2014 9:14 AM in response to Gunny64

Sorry. I keep forgetting Thomas Reed's tool only runs under Lion or later. You can, if you wish, download his older script removal tool, which will purge Genieo from your system.


http://www.thesafemac.com/art/


If you're uncomforatble downloading something else to fix a problem caused by a downloaded and installed item in first place, he has manual instructions here:


http://www.thesafemac.com/arg-identification/


Apple has their own manual removal instructions here:


Remove unwanted adware that displays pop-up ads and graphics on your Mac - Apple Support


No matter which you try, you should make a backup of the system first. Thomas has noted in the past that manually removing Genieo incorrectly can cause your Mac to become unbootable.


It's crucial during the manual removal of Genieo that you DO NOT empty the trash until you reach the point of the instructions that so to do that. Do not delete items as you go through the steps.

Dec 7, 2014 9:55 AM in response to Gunny64

Keep in mind that you don't have to change/upgrade your current system, although you do need to get rid of the adware crud. Nor should you do any upgrading until you have first created a full backup to an external drive using Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper.


The safest way to try out Yosemite is to install it clean on an external HD. Then you can reinstall critical apps a few at a time to see how they work with Yosemite. If you get everything working acceptably, you can consider cloning this system onto your internal drive.


You may find that the UI in Yosemite is in many ways inferior to that of Snow Leopard, both aesthetically and functionally. Many questionable choices were made beginning with Lion.

Dec 7, 2014 4:13 PM in response to kahjot

> The safest way to try out Yosemite is to install it clean on an external HD

If I want to do this, is swap file (virtual memory) on the external drive? That would be slow at times. If so, does anyone know if anyone has tried to boot OSX from an external drive but have /var on the internal drive? Many years ago I edited fstab files, but I would need a refresher course and how does OSX (and each version may differ) do it?

If installing Yosemite on an external HD does put swap on the external, a slightly better (but more difficult and slightly less safe) way is to partition the internal disc and install yosemite on the newly created partition, but you need a lot of free disc space to do that.

Back to the original post, is there a summary of the various recent OSX systems and the pro's and con's of each? So far, I have heard Yosemite can be very slow for some users. When I tried Yosemite it consumed a lot of i/o resources writing to (console) log. I have read several posters saying Snow Leopard is their preferred OS.

One hard fact, if I have my info correct, is that Snow Leopard and earlier can run apps written for the Power-PC (even on the Intel machines); Later versions of OSX don't allow that (w/o using a virtual machine).

Dec 7, 2014 4:41 PM in response to Bob R Oregon

The swap file will always be on the same partition you boot to. So if Yosemite is on the external drive, that's where the active swap file will be, too. Each bootable drive/partition will contain its own swap file.


Booting from and using an OS on a USB 2 drive will be slower for everthing. A FireWire 800 drive better than USB 2, and USB 3 quite a bit faster than FW800. eSATA or Thunderbolt external drives will be exactly the same as an internal drive since both are a direct extension of the PCI bus.


From what I've noticed over the years, and through many versions of the Mac OS, those who have the most trouble upgrading are those who install a new OS over an old one. I have always set up each new OS on a separate, erased partition so I don't have such issues. Each OS has never failed to be just as fast as the previous one. The only thing that sticks out are actual OS bugs, which you know are directly attributable to the new OS since it can't be blamed on a bad upgrade.


Yes, PPC hit the end of the road with Snow Leopard. The actual PPC-Intel interpretor was owned by another company. Either Apple let the license to use it lapse, or simply never intended to bring it forward indefinitely. I would tend to believe the latter. As you already know, if you have PPC software can't upgrade to an Intel native version, must use, and have a newer Mac which can't boot into Snow Leopard, then the only option is to run Snow Leopard Server in a VM.

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