Text on a yellow background

I have a client who wants their DVD menu to match their other "advertising" materials, all of which are a yellow gradient with the company name in black.

I built the animation I used on their Flash website in After Effects and exported it out uncompressed under Apple none Millions + and imported into DVD Studio Pro 4.0.3 for my main DVD background. It looks great in the "simulator" and I'm using 24 pt bold fonts. When I play this on a TV it jumps around like crazy and all of the text has PINK scan lines going through it....It looks like complete crap. Any ideas??? Is yellow just not an option on an NTSC 4:3 color space??

I've tried all the software render, and one pass vs two pass VBR set all the way up, I have been using the text options right inside DVDSP and having them highlight on roll over, and they look like crap too...and that's jsut white text over a black background. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Mac OS X (10.4.8), G5 Quad 2.5- 2 gb RAM

Posted on Oct 3, 2006 2:01 PM

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Oct 4, 2006 4:34 AM in response to JeffroLane

As long as you do not add any template items to this menu, such as shapes or text, then your best bet is to create this menu and import it in to Quick time, then export it as MPEG2 from there. You can import this in to DVDSP and use it as your menu background, add the button rectangles and an overlay and it will look a lot better than if you let DVDSP do the encoding.

If you are adding template items then this is not the way to get this working, as your MPEG background will get re-compressed a second time when the disc gets built, and look plain ugly.

Oct 4, 2006 3:35 PM in response to Silal

Thanks Hal,

So to clarify.....You suggest I build everything (meaning my motion menu background) in AE including the text (which are my navigation buttons) and all of the "chapter" copy??? If I do this, how do I accommplish the "highlighted" features so the user knows what navigation button is selected??? And if I do it this way, how will DVDSP not re-compress it as it is apparently doing right now?

Right now I have my custom motion background, but I'm using "highlights" in DVDSP and selcting "include text in the highlight" option and no buttons at all.....kind of similar to most website navigation with glowing text mouse roll overs.

Thanks!

Oct 5, 2006 5:55 AM in response to Todd Nocera

Hi Todd - a lot depends on the menu itself, but where I have found jagged text, for example, then encoding using QT has (bizarrely) often smoothed it out far better than any other encoder. Go figure!

You need to run some tests on the material you are using to see if it works for you as well - as you know, I generally don't recommend using the QT encoder or DVDSP to encode any assets... but there are some exceptions!

Oct 5, 2006 6:05 AM in response to JeffroLane

Yes - create the entire menu background, including any text for the buttons, in whatever app you normally use (AE, Motion, FCP, etc) and export that as MPEG2.

Take a still from the section of the footage where the button text is all in place and use that as a background layer in Photoshop.

Add a new layer and on that only add the shapes you intend to use for the button highlights - you use the background image to help align the shapes you want. Hide the background image and export the result as a .pict file. In general I make these gray scale before exporting, but you don't have to. You should end up with a single layer image which is mostly white, but has a collection of shapes such as underlines, ticks, dots or whatever (and these are in black, or gray).

Your MPEG asset becomes the menu background. You use the loop point property to identify where the button text has reached a settled point, and then add the .pict file as an overlay.

You can now draw out the button rectangles, set the targets and define the navigation between the buttons. As you draw them, the highlight shapes should appear in whatever colour scheme your version of DVDSP is using - you can adjust the colour mapping in the property inspector, just as you would for a standard menu.

The effect is that the animated background appears, the text for the menu buttons fades in to place and settles and then the menu buttons become active... this portion needs to continue for at least 30 seconds. At the end of the menu, the loop point control will define where in the background footage you return to.

DVDSP will not need to compress the resulting menu since it is already MPEG2 format, and you are not adding anything that needs to be compressed - picture highlights exist in the sub picture stream (same place as subtitles), and do not need to be composited into the menu. The only time DVDSP needs to encode the menu footage is if you add in a shape or type some text... If you intend doing that then you must only use uncompressed QT files for the background.

In your case you are including the text in the highlights and it will look pretty poor - there are only four colours in the subpicture stream, one of which needs to be white. The colour mapping doesn't anti-alias the text, which is why it is looking poor for you. You can achieve the glowing text rollovers very easily using a simple overlay.

Oct 6, 2006 8:37 PM in response to Hal MacLean

Hal,

So I have the overlay file added (just a white BG with black text in the exact place the menu text is located in the AE file), and I have my new AE menu with the navigation options created inside the animation instead of in DVDSP.
So all this is working, and when I set the loop point the text will highlight, but not when I "roll over" it or when I use the DVD remote to move between selections...it just lights up at the time the loop is set and then stops, but the button rectangle I drew out works fine, you just can't tell what's selected because now ALL the text is highlighted. Any ideas?? Thanks a lot, this is looking better so far!

Oct 7, 2006 3:04 PM in response to JeffroLane

A menu will have a button 'selected' by default when the menu appears on your screen. It sounds to me as if you have only created a single hotspot area and are making it cover every part of the highlights. You need to create a button rectangle for each button text - the first one you create will be your default button and when you play the menu this one will appear as highlighted. As you move from button to button (make sure you set the navigation between the buttons) the highlight are will change.

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