56k modem thru airport?

Try my question a different way - I have G4 tower and macbook. I use a 56k modem (internal in G4 and externall on macbook). Can I run the phone line into an airport extreme base station and get internet connect on G4 via ethernet and macbook via airport wireless? I have tried a couple of different ways but can't seem to get it working. Just wanting to know if I'm trying to do something that really can't be done - or am I just better off using the internal and external modems until maybe getting cable/DSL connection.
Thanks for any help in clearing this up for me.
a very very big newbie into all this wireless.
~bruce.

G4 - 1 gig and macbook 2, Mac OS X (10.4.7)

Posted on Oct 3, 2006 3:40 PM

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Oct 6, 2006 6:56 PM in response to Duane

Any suggestions on how the set up is supposed to be? I know the phone line plugs into back of airport extreme base station, ethernet cable between that and G4 using the <---> port on base - where I run into trouble is the airport setup assistant - what settings do I use. As you can tell - i'm totally new at any of this so need all the help I can get.
Thanks.
~bruce.

ps - if i get more info - should i do the upgrade to 10.4.8 before I do anything? seems like a lot of troubles with people's use of airport after moving to 10.4.8.

Oct 7, 2006 10:15 AM in response to Bruce Wagner1

You should have no problem connecting your two macs with ethernet to the AirPort, wireless to the AirPort and let the AirPort handle the dialup connection.

The phone modem setup is really quite simple. Crack open AirPort Admin Utility and click the "Internet" tab. Select Connect Using Modem v.90 and enter dialup connection numbers, user name, password all that fun stuff!

Your two macs will get DHCP and DNS through the AirPort and they will connect happily, slowly, ever after. Remember that even though you are mixing all three connection modes (wireless, ethernet and dialup) each device plays its own role.

Oct 7, 2006 3:41 PM in response to Bruce Wagner1

And you will be administering the AEBS via ethernet cable for the most part;
so a non-wireless machine can be used directly to administer a network
and still get a connection through the AEBS's dialup modem; if needed.

[I used an AEBS for a few years on dialup and then got slow DSL. Can't say
as it's an improvement; but some days the IP is dead in the water and costs
alot more. Few options make everything cost unnecessarily more here.]

Be sure to check the 802.11b/g settings on the base station so you can
access the dialup if you have the newer and older wireless protocols. If
you have only AirPort Extreme (11/g) you can select for just that kind of
a network; but any visiting friends with the older 11/b won't be able to see it.
11/g is faster. You can also use wireless printing, if your printer is supported.

Oct 7, 2006 5:21 PM in response to Bruce Wagner1

Thanks everyone for your help. After messing around for about a half an hour I finally got it to work - don't ask me how - I thought I had it and then I didn't but went back and redid some things and now it works. G4 attached thru ethernet and macbook via wireless thru the airport.
Question - does the airport automatically turn it's internal modem on and make the connection? I don't always want it on as it is also used for our regular phone. How does one shut if off? Do I just have to pull the plug on it?
Again - an extreme rookie here with some probably dumb questions.
~bruce.

Oct 7, 2006 5:42 PM in response to Bruce Wagner1

You would have to go into the Airport Utility and check/change the dialup
configuration setting; there will be a checkbox to make the default not
dial automatically to connect. You would have to be sure to not have
any browsers set to seek a home page and be aware of internet-on-
demand applications that seek the internet when you don't want the
computer to go attempting to dialout.

(I may look into AirPort Utility to see how I have mine set; that part
should be alot like the dialup settings in the computer, since you
can also choose to not allow the computer to dialout by itself, too.)

In the AirPort Utilty's (after you access base station w/password) header
you can click "Internet" then you can choose to have the checkbox by
"automatically dial" unchecked or checked that should do it.

Also be sure to not have the Date & Time control pane in System Prefs
set to look for a network server all the time; or it may try to have your
computer dial out when you are wanting to use the phone. It may not be
an issue, except there may be error messages in the computer when it
can't get the internet automatically for content normally supplied from there.

Oct 7, 2006 6:26 PM in response to Bruce Wagner1

I must have screwed something up. I can't get to the extreme base modem from the G4 (connected via ethernet) anymore. That is I can't get connected to the net on the G4. I can still get on via the macbook. I can open and close the connection via the macbook also. I can use the Airport Admin utility configure from the macbook but not from the G4. All I get there is the beachball.
~bruce.

Oct 7, 2006 7:18 PM in response to Bruce Wagner1

Ok, I restarted the G4 and now can get online - but don't know how to get off.
Got into Airport Admin but I don't see any place to click to stop auto dial. Nor do I see anyplace to in menu bar to start/stop. The old internal modem symbol shows "open internet connect" but I am currently online.
Sorry to be a pain but would really like to get this to work. Then the next step will be to get the printer to work off the AEBS.
thanks
~bruce

Oct 7, 2006 7:35 PM in response to Bruce Wagner1

If you have the airport icon so it will appear in the main menubar, you can
always shut off the 56k modem from a computer via wireless. Since I am
running on battery now, I will probably have to revisit this question after a
bit or via another computer (since portable will go to sleep soon and I will
recharge it.)

When you access the AEBS, use password you set to access it, then
go into the AirPort via the Utility, and click on the button (second one
from left?) says Internet on it... you can go in there; you may see a dif-
ferent configuration than wireless airport; it can show you Ethernet or
others, so click on that if you don't see the dialup settings.

And from there, the dialup settings and where you entered the ISP
password and dialup account info should also be seen. 5% power now
so I'm signing off...

Oct 8, 2006 11:00 AM in response to Bruce Wagner1

Ok - I made it to Airport Admin Utility (AAU) - clicked configure - got to the spot you mentioned and unclicked the Automatically dial. Aiport reset itself and no longer automatically dials. The problem is - how do I get it to dial from the G4 (connected by ethernet). I can use the macbook to start the airport up (dials the airport modem) (it has the airport fan symbol on top). The G4 doesn't have any icon on top (currently have fax, internal modem, us flag, sound and spotlight). I think I'm getting closer just missing the one step on how to connect the G4 to the net without having to go thru AAU to reset it.
Thanks for your help - and hows things up in the 49th state?
~bruce.

Oct 8, 2006 11:23 AM in response to Bruce Wagner1

There should be a "Show AirPort Status in Menubar" check box in the
computer's System Preference> Network> Show: [Airport] and after
the Show part, you can choose several things; choose the second AirPort
so, you may see in the Network panel Location: Automatic, Show: Airport,
and the next row of buttons, should be clicked to show AirPort with the
Airport ID number and "by default join" and below that, Show AirPort Status.

Some settings can be changed without having the Airport turned on; the
"Show AirPort Status in Menubar" will appear as a working checkbox;
even if the Airport (in computer) is turned off. The Airport off/on in here
does not turn off/on the actual base station, just the computer's wireless.

PS: If you are running an older OSX version in your ethernet
connected computer that will be administering the AEBS by wire
you may hold off awhile on the updates that affect AirPort; but
you will have to be sure to update (and take your chances; see
if macfixit.com still has working links to basic airport troubleshoot-
ing in their front page; or check the hardware support in Apple
Support for AirPort Extreme.) I administer my AEBS from wire
while I also use it wirelessly, from an iMacG4 with 10.3.9; it is
up to date. My iBookG4 has 10.4.8 and it all seems to work OK.

+ + + +
We're set to expect some 45 to 80 MPH winds in this region; with rain at
lower elevations and more snow in the local ranges; farther north is more
closer to winter, like the mountains are getting here. Leaves are almost
gone and smaller shrubs are also shedding their summer/autumn glory.

Oct 8, 2006 12:02 PM in response to Bruce Wagner1

Sorry to be such a pain on this...
Went to System Preferences>Network and it shows location and show Network status. Below that is the Built-in Ethernet (green button by it) and Internal modem (red button). There is no "show Airpot Status in Menubar. (It is on the macbook). Is this because the G4 is connected to the aiport via ethernet cable?
If I click on the down arrow next to the Network Status I get "built-in Ethernet, Internal Modem, Built-in FireWire, and Network Port Config. If I scroll down and choose one of the middle three - it goes to setting up the configuration of net connect again - don't think I want that.
Is there a way to get an Ethernet Icon in the Menubar? I'm thinking that is what I might need - but don't want to go blindly into this.
Hopefully I'm not missing something in your directions. They have been helpful so far.
Thanks.
~bruce.

Oct 8, 2006 3:20 PM in response to Bruce Wagner1

Well, I see it; in my iBookG4 running 10.4.8; and you may have to click on
the selection button (where I referred to the Show: [ - - ] selection box.)
If you are seeing a different screen at that point, you did not select AirPort.

The screens are a little different between OSX 10.4.8 and 10.3.9, but both
do show the specific information in the same page as I specified. You may
be looking at the Show: [ Network Status ] window; so click on the box
where Network Status appears and in there you will see alternatives, and
one is AirPort. If another screen appears in there, (a button bar appears,
in the AirPort window if you chose to arrive there as I suggest) you can
click on the far left AirPort button to see the dialog box with the AirPort
ID number of your configuration (even if your computer is attached to
Ethernet with AirPort in it turned Off) and in the bottom of that screen
the checkbox you can toggle says, "Show AirPort Status in Menubar."

Same in OSX 10.3.9; close enough for either system user to find it there.

The only other thing is in reference to another item in that show:
box, where you have to be certain your Network Port Configurations
include AirPort, Ethernet, and whatever else you would use.
Sometimes by not checking AirPort in there, you won't see
AirPort in the Show: [ AirPort ] box; it won't be in the choices.

Oct 8, 2006 3:57 PM in response to Bruce Wagner1

Thanks again for sticking with me on this. I'm currently using my macbook via airport - went to system preferences and everything is there as you say it should be. The macbook is great - I can open the connection and close it via the airport connection.
My G4 tower does not have an airport card and is connected to the airport via internal ethernet (ethernet wire between G4 tower and airport using the <--> ports on the tower and the airport. When I go as you suggested I don't see the airport as I do on the macbook. I only see the internal ethernet, internal modem (tower as a modem inside it), internal firewire. There is no button to show ethernet in menu bar. I can set the airport to connect immediately or not to (see above) (this resests the airport) but I have no way of turning it on and off from the regular screen (menu bar) like I can on the macbook.
I'm using 10.4.7 on both systems.
Hopefully this is making sense.
~bruce.

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