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Q: My Macintosh Classic shows blinking question mark :(

My Mac stopped to boot It shows question mark during the start. I can boot only from MacOS 6.x sitting in ROM, by holding CMD+Option+O+X and then hard disk is normally visible. I checked that HDD - it spins correctly and I tried to boot from it on another Mac and it worked. Also, I tried to reset PRAM. Nothing helps. Any ideas?

Macintosh Classic, iOS 7.1.2, null

Posted on Jan 2, 2015 11:35 AM

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  • by Jan Hedlund,

    Jan Hedlund Jan Hedlund Jan 2, 2015 4:43 PM in response to arti040
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    Jan 2, 2015 4:43 PM in response to arti040

    The tests that you have done do seem to cover all possibilities. The machine will boot from ROM, with the hard disk visible, which ought to rule out at least the most obvious hardware faults. Also, the hard drive itself and the operating system appear to be OK. A PRAM reset does not change anything.

     

    Do you have access to a bootable disk tools floppy with Disk First Aid and Apple HD SC Setup? If so, you could begin by checking whether the hard disk shows up in Disk First Aid (if yes, verify, and repair if needed). You may then want to run Apple HD SC Setup and update the hard disk drive driver.

     

    It is of course thinkable that some kind of borderline situation exists, where an electronic component is about to fail. A close examination (with a magnifying glass) of the board(s) should reveal leaking/bulging/discoloured electrolytic capacitors et cetera. At the same time, it may be a good idea to check the voltage of the (3.6 V) battery.  A warning: All work inside a compact Macintosh computer can be very dangerous because of high voltages in certain areas (even when the computer has been switched off and disconnected from the mains), and must be carried out by someone with the necessary expertise.

     

    Jan

  • by arti040,

    arti040 arti040 Jan 11, 2015 9:53 AM in response to Jan Hedlund
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    Jan 11, 2015 9:53 AM in response to Jan Hedlund

    Hi,

    sorry for a late answer but I had to go abroad for almost two weeks.

    So, moving to the point:

    - I checked motherboard - no issues, no visible capacitor leaks;

    - Battery - I removed it when I bought a Mac a year ago;

    - I connected hard disk to the second Mac (G3, OS 9.2) and checked using Disk First Aid - no errors. Disk is OK;

    - Also, I updated disk driver in HD SC Setup;

     

    Nothing helped

  • by Jan Hedlund,

    Jan Hedlund Jan Hedlund Jan 11, 2015 2:00 PM in response to arti040
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    Jan 11, 2015 2:00 PM in response to arti040

    Hi,

     

    Just guessing now. It may have something to do with (unstable) DC voltages. One can measure the 5 V and 12 V levels at the floppy drive port. Readings under different load situations (startup, floppy drive active, etc) would be of interest. Also, one should perhaps not rule out electrolytic capacitor issues yet (there are capacitors on the analogue board as well). Low (or no) logic board battery voltage may cause unexpected behaviour in some computers.

     

    Jan

  • by arti040,

    arti040 arti040 Jan 11, 2015 2:02 PM in response to Jan Hedlund
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    Jan 11, 2015 2:02 PM in response to Jan Hedlund

    4.88 for 5V and 11.8 for 12V. Quite fine, I think.

  • by Rick Pierce,

    Rick Pierce Rick Pierce Jan 26, 2015 8:03 PM in response to arti040
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    Jan 26, 2015 8:03 PM in response to arti040

    The blinking question mark means the Mac can't find the boot drive. More specifically, the boot loader. Go to System Prefs. and specify the boot drive. Then try to boot from it. On newer machines, holding the Shift key during boot rebuilds the boot loader. Try that and then try a normal boot. If still no good, back up your important files, erase the HDD and reinstall the OS. It should work after that.

  • by arti040,

    arti040 arti040 Jan 27, 2015 5:26 AM in response to Rick Pierce
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    Jan 27, 2015 5:26 AM in response to Rick Pierce

    Thanks but I did everything you wrote before I wrote my post. If it'd be THAT easy I'd do this by myself ;-)

     

    Again:

    - disk is OK, I tested even two;

    - I did a fresh install of the system, on each hard drive;

    - other Macs boot from those drives without any problems;

  • by MasterGamer11,

    MasterGamer11 MasterGamer11 Feb 11, 2015 6:10 AM in response to arti040
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    Feb 11, 2015 6:10 AM in response to arti040

    Have you tried deleting the OS, and re-installing it? If not follow these steps:

    Reboot your computer while holding the option key.

    Load the Recovery disc

    Choose disc Utility

    Format Macintosh HD (Make sure you format Macintosh HD, not the one named after your actual drive)

    Go back

    Press install OSX

     

    Never mind, you said you dud this already. Maybe it's time for an upgrade.

  • by Jan Hedlund,

    Jan Hedlund Jan Hedlund Feb 11, 2015 5:08 PM in response to arti040
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    Feb 11, 2015 5:08 PM in response to arti040

    Hello again,

     

    The voltages appear to be relatively well within limits (perhaps a bit low, but that may be related to voltage drops when measuring at the floppy port). No difference between readings at startup, during normal operation and when the floppy drive is active?

     

    You mentioned that you had tested two hard drives. Was each drive installed internally? Have you at some point (with and without a hard drive internally) tested a hard drive in an external (powered) enclosure connected to the SCSI port of the Macintosh Classic? Any change if another device is connected to the external SCSI chain?

    support.apple.com/kb/TA27743

     

    Jan

  • by imaclover1354,

    imaclover1354 imaclover1354 Feb 16, 2015 4:40 AM in response to arti040
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    Feb 16, 2015 4:40 AM in response to arti040

    you need to get a boot disc and the save it to the hard drive using disc utility's then it should save it then you should be good.

  • by stevena1,

    stevena1 stevena1 Feb 17, 2015 11:45 AM in response to arti040
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    Feb 17, 2015 11:45 AM in response to arti040

    Not sure if this helps...

     

    but did anything get tinkered in the System Folder? 98% of the chances of a Mac booting off a hard drive giving you a blinking question mark is because someone did something in the System Folder. Maybe the Mac isn't booting up because it's missing an extension or some other dependency of the System Folder? Not sure if old school SCSIs had the switches like the ATA and SATAs have today, maybe its on the wrong position, if there is such a thing?

     

    I can't get why the PRAM battery would stop it from booting up, to me your hardware seems to be OK. I'm betting it's a software issue.

  • by arti040,

    arti040 arti040 Mar 6, 2015 8:38 AM in response to arti040
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    Mar 6, 2015 8:38 AM in response to arti040

    Problem solved! Thanks guys for help. I don't know, what exactly happened, but when I booted a Mac with 7.0.1 floppy drive with old Drive Setup app, erased the hard disk and reinstalled a fresh system, everything started to work again!