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Q: Hardware test...

I can't do (unless I'm really stupid) Apple Hardware Test on my box.  I hold down D at boot, no go.  I hold down Option-D at boot, no go.  I do the same with the install disc in, no go ...  Am I missing something?  Does Tech Tool Deluxe do the same thing?  Is it better, or not?

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Jan 5, 2015 6:29 PM

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  • by trebber,

    trebber trebber Feb 3, 2015 11:42 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Feb 3, 2015 11:42 AM in response to Drew Reece

    ..."I would"...

    I have.  KP's before and after reinstall.

     

    ..."Sorry"...

    Don't be.  You've been very helpful at getting this AHT to work, as have all the posters on this forum.  That's why I'm here.  I'm proceeding with the recommendations by WZZZ.

  • by WZZZ,

    WZZZ WZZZ Feb 3, 2015 12:00 PM in response to trebber
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    Feb 3, 2015 12:00 PM in response to trebber

    trebber wrote:

     

    Just for the sake of clarification:

    I dnldd Pacifist.  I assume I need to "Open Apple Install Discs".

    I get a warning about older software on the disc (I run 10.6.8, the disc is for Tiger).

    .."Applications and other files extracted from this package may not work properly with your version of Mac OS X. You may have better results opening an install disc for Mac OS X version 10.6.x."...

    Will Pacifist make any changes, or just list the files on the Tiger install disc?  Should I proceed?

    Just drag the mounted disk image into Open Apple Installers. (But might need to drag it into Open Package, not sure which). Should only list, doesn't make any changes. Make sure it's showing invisible files.

     

    That said, if you can get it running, AHT is not the greatest diagnostic. Even if you get no errors, it might still be missing something, especially something very random, which is what you have.

  • by trebber,

    trebber trebber Feb 3, 2015 12:10 PM in response to WZZZ
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    Feb 3, 2015 12:10 PM in response to WZZZ

    ..."Just drag the mounted disk image"...

    I have the Tiger Install disc "mounted" on my desktop, is that the disk image you refer to?

    I also have an AHT (018-2405-A.dmg) I dnldd off the net, supposed to be for my notebook (see previous posts by Drew ReeceJan 20, 2015 8:28 PM)

  • by WZZZ,

    WZZZ WZZZ Feb 3, 2015 12:18 PM in response to trebber
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    Feb 3, 2015 12:18 PM in response to trebber

    trebber wrote:

     

    ..."Just drag the mounted disk image"...

    I have the Tiger Install disc "mounted" on my desktop, is that the disk image you refer to?

    I also have an AHT (018-2405-A.dmg) I dnldd off the net, supposed to be for my notebook (see previous posts by Drew ReeceJan 20, 2015 8:28 PM)

    Just drag that into Open Apple Installers. Didn't you say that the AHT you got from GitHub wasn't working? I already said that I couldn't get one of those working either; that was for a Mac Mini. They may be dicey. But how did you try to put it onto a flash drive?

     

    That was for a Notebook? That wouldn't work for a MBP, which is what I thought we were trying to get the AHT for.

  • by trebber,

    trebber trebber Feb 3, 2015 12:22 PM in response to WZZZ
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    Feb 3, 2015 12:22 PM in response to WZZZ

    WZZZ wrote:

    After making hidden files and folders visible from the directions I gave you, if it's the grey Tiger install disc (could be disc 2) that came with the computer, do you see .diagnostics in /System/Library/CoreServices?

     

     

    If you find it, you might be able to use these directions to get it on a flash drive. They may need some modifications.

     

    http://rivenbyfive.blogspot.com/2012/01/download-and-run-apple-hardware-test.htm l

    Update:

    Looking on the Tiger Install disc, I do find what you asked about in the referenced post, (.diagnostics in /System/Library/CoreServices)

     

    I also found it on the downloaded file from the net.

  • by trebber,

    trebber trebber Feb 3, 2015 12:30 PM in response to WZZZ
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    Feb 3, 2015 12:30 PM in response to WZZZ

    ..."But how did you try to put it onto a flash drive?"...

    According to the instructions above by Drew Reese, with the additional step that I first set it up with 1 GUID partition.

     

    ..."Notebook? That wouldn't work for a MBP"...

    I meant notebook computer, MacBook Pro, 2006, 1,1

  • by WZZZ,

    WZZZ WZZZ Feb 3, 2015 12:37 PM in response to trebber
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    Feb 3, 2015 12:37 PM in response to trebber

    You can try using those directions, but I think they will need some modifications. Right now, I am knee-deep in some other stuff that I have to attend to. Might be later tonight or tomorrow sometime.

     

    What happens if you copy .diagnostics (from the Tiger install disc, not the one from GitHub) to the corresponding location on the MBP and try restarting from the D key? I'd give that a try first. But, important, you must change the permissions back to what they should be after copying using the finder. I gave full instructions for doing that a number of posts above. Make sure you have hidden files and folders showing when you do this.

     

    This is the very first thing you should try.

     

    Also, note, you will have to give your admin password and user before it will allow you to move it into /System/Library/CoreServices on the MBP. As far as I know, the MBP, even one that old, should have D key booting, provided that folder is present.

  • by trebber,

    trebber trebber Feb 3, 2015 12:38 PM in response to WZZZ
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    Feb 3, 2015 12:38 PM in response to WZZZ

    Do what you need to do.  I'm in no hurry.  I'll report back later this evening.

  • by WZZZ,

    WZZZ WZZZ Feb 3, 2015 1:27 PM in response to trebber
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    Feb 3, 2015 1:27 PM in response to trebber

    Definitely try the D key booting. But be sure you don't have a Firmware Password set. That would prevent D key booting.

     

    In Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard® and Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard®, firmware password protection is enabled using the Firmware Password Utility on the Mac OS X Install DVD. Enabling firmware password protection disables most of the keyboard shortcuts for starting up....


    http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/disablefirmwarepwp.html

  • by WZZZ,

    WZZZ WZZZ Feb 3, 2015 6:34 PM in response to WZZZ
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    Feb 3, 2015 6:34 PM in response to WZZZ

    You need to connect to AC Power when running the Apple Hardware Test on a Mac notebook.

    http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201257

  • by trebber,

    trebber trebber Feb 3, 2015 9:16 PM in response to WZZZ
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    Feb 3, 2015 9:16 PM in response to WZZZ

    Sadly, copying .diagnostics from the install disc to my hard drive did not make my "D" key any more useful than it was before.  I think I paid attention to all the details, changed permissions w/  BatChmod, power attached, etc. but, alas, no joy.  I don't think I've got a Firmware Password set, cause I can boot to the Install discs holding option, safe boot, target mode, no prob.  Next step, I guess, is to attempt a bootable flash drive, since it's less work than mobilizing my ext. FW HDD for battle. 

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Feb 3, 2015 10:21 PM in response to trebber
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    Feb 3, 2015 10:21 PM in response to trebber

    I forgot about 'bless' see if alters your current situation…

    http://www.techlabs.com.au/blog/2013/11/27/apple-hardware-test-how-to-download-a nd-run-from-a-usb-stick

     

    Step 5 is where the blessing happens. It's unclear why the diags.efi is copied to the root of the stick so you will need to adjust the path.

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Feb 3, 2015 11:10 PM in response to trebber
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    Feb 3, 2015 11:10 PM in response to trebber

    1 more thing…

     

    I'm am an idiot, I made this script in 2013 called 'AHT-my-disk.sh' & forgot about it (I was in your situation trebber).

    See if it helps you make a USB copy, I just put it up on github with my other junk

     

    https://gist.github.com/drewreece/2e5eed7dbfbd5dd7e929

     

    I just did it for my Mac & the reboot went into AHT (it blesses the diags.efi on the disk).

     

    USAGE:

    AHT-my-disk.sh  ~/Downloads/018-2769-A.dmg /Volumes/Untitled
    

     

    Good luck.

  • by trebber,

    trebber trebber Feb 4, 2015 7:18 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Feb 4, 2015 7:18 AM in response to Drew Reece

    ..."Sorry I have exhausted the steps I use to make AHT work."...

    He's making it up as he goes along!  (from 'Life of Brian', the preaching scene)

    (Disclaimer:  above lines added for comic value.  Those readers without a sense of humor, please disregard...)

    ..."I'm am an idiot"...

    and if that were true, why would you provide such useful information to help get this to work?  I think you're not!

    The link you sent two posts above, I've seen, in a different form, sent by WZZZ, and will try that as my next step:

    http://rivenbyfive.blogspot.com/2012/01/download-and-run-apple-hardware-test.htm l

     

    As for your script, my motto is, "If I knew what the h*** I was looking at, I might be able to use it."  Though I play a genius on TV, my knowledge of "computering" is limited, and though your script looks enticing, I'm afraid it's above my pay-scale.  But a good challenge, something new to learn? 

  • by trebber,

    trebber trebber Feb 4, 2015 8:18 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Feb 4, 2015 8:18 AM in response to Drew Reece

    I tried the steps in the article you posted.  I hope I'm not posting anything more personal than my name here, but here goes:

    First I partitioned the flash drive, 1 partition, Mac OS Extended (Journaled), options button, GUID.

    Then I pasted these lines into the Terminal (1 at a time hitting enter after each one).  Don't know much about what I'm doing:

     

    cd /Volumes/Red4GB/ && cp -r ~/Users/rob/Desktop/018-2405-A.dmg/System

    cd /Volumes/Red4GB/ && cp ./System/Library/CoreServices/.diagnostics/diags.efi

    cd /Volumes/Red4GB/ && sudo bless --mount /Volumes/Red4GB --setBoot --file diags.efi && sudo reboot

     

    this is what I got back in Terminal:

     

    Last login: Wed Feb  4 07:57:45 on console

    Rob-Salazars-MacBook-Pro-15:~ rob$ cd /Volumes/Red4GB/ && cp -r ~/Users/rob/Desktop/018-2405-A.dmg/System

    usage: cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-fi | -n] [-apvX] source_file target_file

           cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-fi | -n] [-apvX] source_file ... target_directory

    Rob-Salazars-MacBook-Pro-15:Red4GB rob$ cd /Volumes/Red4GB/ && cp ./System/Library/CoreServices/.diagnostics/diags.efi

    usage: cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-fi | -n] [-apvX] source_file target_file

           cp [-R [-H | -L | -P]] [-fi | -n] [-apvX] source_file ... target_directory

    Rob-Salazars-MacBook-Pro-15:Red4GB rob$ cd /Volumes/Red4GB/ && sudo bless --mount /Volumes/Red4GB --setBoot --file diags.efi && sudo reboot

    Password:

    Can't statfs diags.efi

    Rob-Salazars-MacBook-Pro-15:Red4GB rob$

     

    Looks like I'm missing something in the first 2 lines, there's nothing new on the flash drive...

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