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Q: Foreign Fonts

I'd like to disable some of the foreign fonts that always show up in my fonts list in adobe programs. Is this possible? Is it safe to do?

Mac Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10), 30"; Cinema Display

Posted on Jan 12, 2015 8:06 AM

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  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Oct 11, 2015 2:15 PM in response to Sparky Marky
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    Oct 11, 2015 2:15 PM in response to Sparky Marky

    Just hold down the Command key so it turns into a move instead of creating a bunch of aliases.

    I presume there won't be any font conflict between the Minion and Myriad fonts installed by CC and the Minion and Myriad fonts I use dayly that I have placed in my Home > Libary > Fonts folder?

    There shouldn't be. Only the Adobe apps know those versions exist, the rest of the system doesn't. You'll notice when you actually remove them, they don't appear in the lists anymore. So only is you activate a Minion or Myriad set will they appear again, and you know that's the font set you're actually using.

     

    Why Adobe insists on installing these "required" fonts, I don't know. They clearly aren't required as the apps will run just fine without them. Photoshop continues to be the very weird one, though. I have not for the life of me been able to figure out where it's hiding the fonts you see in its list.

  • by Sparky Marky,

    Sparky Marky Sparky Marky Oct 12, 2015 7:36 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Oct 12, 2015 7:36 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Hi Kurt

     

    Thank you.

     

    Will you be updating your Font Management in OS X article to take into account the new San Francisco font? Can we finally use postscript or opentype Helvetica and Helvetica Neue again? Thanks

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Oct 12, 2015 7:59 AM in response to Sparky Marky
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    Oct 12, 2015 7:59 AM in response to Sparky Marky

    Just put up the new version yesterday. Refresh your browser if it's still showing an older page.

     

    Oops! And I just saw a big boo-boo I need to fix in the minimum font list. HelveticaNeue.dfont should be in there.

  • by Sparky Marky,

    Sparky Marky Sparky Marky Oct 12, 2015 8:02 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Oct 12, 2015 8:02 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Brilliant. That was quick. Thak you

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Oct 12, 2015 8:18 AM in response to Sparky Marky
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    Oct 12, 2015 8:18 AM in response to Sparky Marky

    I hate that when I miss what should be such obvious things. But when you look at it about 50 times or more over the course of a week or so, your eyes start to glaze over.

  • by Sparky Marky,

    Sparky Marky Sparky Marky Oct 13, 2015 6:22 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Oct 13, 2015 6:22 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Hi Kurt

     

    I'm looking to remove superflous fonts from /System/Library/Fonts folder in OS El Capitan. I've launched my Mac into Recovery Mode and opened the Terminal. To my surprise there is already some characters written in the Terminal window. After these characters I typed the characters

     

    csrutil disable

     

    and then restarted normally. However when I move fonts to the bin I get a message saying that I can not move them. What am I doing wrong?

     

    In terminal should I delete the characters that are already there? Do I have to press return after writing "csrutil disable"? Do I have to 'save' it? How do I enter the above command?

     

    THANK YOU

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Oct 13, 2015 6:59 AM in response to Sparky Marky
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    Oct 13, 2015 6:59 AM in response to Sparky Marky

    In El Capitan, the difference with SIP on or off determines whether or not you can remove fonts from the System folder at all. With it on, forget it. You can't touch them. With SIP off, the OS behaves like Yosemite and earlier (down to Lion). The fonts will still only copy out of the /System/Library/Fonts/ folder if all you do is drag 'n' drop. You have to choose to delete the fonts, and then enter your admin password (make sure to copy all font in the System and root Library folders to another location, first). Once in the trash, delete them. If you turn SIP back on without emptying the trash, you will not be able to empty the fonts from the trash. So it's:

     

    1) Make copies of all OS X installed fonts.

     

    2) Disable SIP.

     

    3) Remove and delete all fonts you want off the drive.

     

    4) Re-enable SIP.

     

    If there are any fonts you later want back in the /System/Library/Fonts/ folder (in particular), you need to disable SIP again before you can put anything in that folder.

  • by Sparky Marky,

    Sparky Marky Sparky Marky Oct 13, 2015 7:11 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Oct 13, 2015 7:11 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Hi Kurt

     

    Okay, but how do I disable SIP?

     

    I've typed csrutil disable into the Terminal window (after a few other characters / words that were already there). What do I then do? Press return? Save? How do I enter a comand in the Terminal window? Do I have to delete the charcters already in the Terminal window?

     

    I originally typed "csrutil disable" then restarted the mac, but the command didn't work. I guess I didn't enter the command correctly

     

    Thank you

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Oct 13, 2015 7:23 AM in response to Sparky Marky
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    Oct 13, 2015 7:23 AM in response to Sparky Marky

    The few characters that are already shown is just a command line prompt. They don't really mean anything.

     

    You type in csrutil disable and press Enter. You wll be told that System Integrity Protection has been disabled and to reboot.

     

    In the shot here, the author showed all three commands for csrutil and the return results. csrtuil status just tells you if SIP is currently on or off. He then gave the command to disable SIP, followed by the command to enable it so he could capture all three result lines in one screen shot. You would only use the disable argument until you're done removing fonts. Then enter Recovery Mode again to enable SIP.

     

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  • by Sparky Marky,

    Sparky Marky Sparky Marky Oct 13, 2015 10:58 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Oct 13, 2015 10:58 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Wow thank you. I'll give it a go in a couple of days when I have the time.

     

    Thank you again

  • by kahjot,

    kahjot kahjot Oct 13, 2015 6:57 PM in response to Sparky Marky
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    Oct 13, 2015 6:57 PM in response to Sparky Marky

    It's easier to boot from a different drive and do this. Just sayin'.

     

    Kurt Lang, I checked out the updated font guide last night, and have trimmed a bit more: what a great resource that is.

     

    I wish Apple would let go of Helvetica Neue…

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Oct 14, 2015 6:56 AM in response to kahjot
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    Oct 14, 2015 6:56 AM in response to kahjot

    It's easier to boot from a different drive and do this. Just sayin'.

    Oh, definitely. I've just been going under the assumption Sparky Marky doesn't have another bootable drive to use.

    Kurt Lang, I checked out the updated font guide last night, and have trimmed a bit more: what a great resource that is.

    Thanks! It's nice to hear people actually do find a use for it. El Capitan was a real pain to figure out, and then I still missed the small issues of having Apple Braille and ArialHB removed. Luckily, "an observant reader" (apologies to Dave Barry) caught those and quickly emailed me about it.

    I wish Apple would let go of Helvetica Neue…

    I think that was their intention, but missed one (Notes). The OS no longer needs Helvetica at all, but some Adobe apps won't launch without it. That's easy to fix by either leaving Helvetica.dfont in the System folder, or activating any other Helvetica font - even a Type 1 PostScript version - and they're happy. Then Microsoft screwed everything up with Helvetica Neue. If that font isn't in the System folder, the Office 2016 apps crash. You can't enable even the same OS X supplied version from anywhere else on the drive and have Office 2016 work. $#*#&!

  • by kahjot,

    kahjot kahjot Oct 14, 2015 8:45 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Oct 14, 2015 8:45 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Before you got your revised guide up, I did some experimenting, and discovered the relatively safe method of moving fonts while booted from a different drive. (This is also my preferred way to get rid of Chess, Game Center, Photo Booth, and the like that are "required" by the system.)

     

    Why something Asian is now tucked away in Apple Braille mystifies me. I removed it in my experimenting, and didn't notice anything disastrous happening, although of course the names of the Asian fonts listed at the end of the System Fonts folder turned to Mystery Boxes. I'm looking at the system fonts folder on my Snow Leopard drive right now, and with Apple Braille removed, the Asian characters in the font names at the end of the list are displayed just as they should be.

     

    I also tried shifting Menlo out of the System Fonts folder, and got a missing font warning from Evernote, although it launched and seemed functional. With Mavericks, I discovered that DxO Optics Pro wants Hiragino Kaku Gothic ProN installed. Like Evernote, it launched and seemed functional, but I didn't tempt fate by testing it extensively, just located and activated the font using Font Explorer Pro. Fortunately, since the font file name is ヒラギノ明朝 ProN W3, its name is given in English in Font Explorer Pro. I am guessing that this font requirement is still the case with Yosemite and El Capitan, but I have not had time to install DxO on my Yosemite or El Cap test drives.

     

    What you say about Office 2016 makes me even happier than I already am (and I didn't think this was possible) that I don't have to deal with MS apps anymore.

     

    Note for anyone else reading this thread: Anything I remove from System Fonts goes into a folder named "System library fonts" in my main font repository for safe-keeping.

  • by Kurt Lang,

    Kurt Lang Kurt Lang Oct 14, 2015 8:56 AM in response to kahjot
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    Oct 14, 2015 8:56 AM in response to kahjot
    and discovered the relatively safe method of moving fonts while booted from a different drive. (This is also my preferred way to get rid of Chess, Game Center, Photo Booth, and the like that are "required" by the system.)

    Same here. It's much easier. I get rid of all kinds of OS X installed apps I never use. Not just Font Book.

    Why something Asian is now tucked away in Apple Braille mystifies me.

    Yes, some very bizarre font changes in El Capitan. Like, why is ArialHB (which is mostly Hebrew characters) now the main font for Keyboard Viewer. What was wrong with AppleSDGothicNeo? Or since it's yet another sans serif font, why not use just use the system San Fransisco font and skip the other two entirely?

    What you say about Office 2016 makes me even happier than I already am (and I didn't think this was possible) that I don't have to deal with MS apps anymore.

    I'd use the free Neo Office if I didn't need to stay in parity with clients.

  • by Tom Gewecke,

    Tom Gewecke Tom Gewecke Oct 14, 2015 11:24 AM in response to Kurt Lang
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    Oct 14, 2015 11:24 AM in response to Kurt Lang

    Kurt Lang wrote:

    What was wrong with AppleSDGothicNeo?


     

    That one should normally only be used for Korean text.

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