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Q: I LOVE iWeb. Any profissional Graphic Designer that uses iWeb?

Hello to all my fellow iWeb lovers.

 

I am a professional freelancer graphic designer, and I used Dreamweaver + Flash like since 7 years ago.
I just discovered iWeb and I am AMAZED how the simplicity and intuitiveness of this marvelous humanized Apple software.
If you debate with any Nerd or Geek he will try to convince you that iWeb is for amateurs, not a "real" software and you need always the correct tool, bla bla bla. They are always focused on PURE technology - pure techies.

Being a graphic designer myself, I see CLEARLY I can develop websites to small/medium business owners, faster, easier, and more HAPPY that another pure techies software. At the moment I am developing a Joomla website for a client, of course on those specific situations I can't use iWeb, but for majority of websites situations I see clearly that iWeb does the job wonderfully.

 

I made this post to share my happiness about the discovery about this brilliant very humanized app, and to ask if there are any fellows here who are graphic designers too using iWeb. I searched a bit, and I don't see any graphic designer assuming their love to this software to conceiving websites.


I am a graphic designer that in this moment is in love with iWeb.

 

Thanks

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Posted on Jan 28, 2015 11:12 AM

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  • by Allan Eckert,

    Allan Eckert Allan Eckert Jan 28, 2015 7:31 PM in response to Corier
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    Jan 28, 2015 7:31 PM in response to Corier

    I second Peter. I played with iWeb briefly when I started web design but I very quickly discovered the severe limitations it was written with and switch to Dreamweaver so that I could design web pages that met standards.

  • by Corier,

    Corier Corier Jan 29, 2015 3:02 PM in response to petermac87
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    Jan 29, 2015 3:02 PM in response to petermac87

    In response only to petermac87:

     

    "If you have 7+ years experience in Dreamweaver and and cannot see that iWeb is a very basic Web Designer then all I can say is God help your clients." - petermac87


    I never said here I "cannot see" that iWeb is a very basic webdesign software. Yes it is. What I think is that is possible to create professional websites with iWeb, for small/medium business owners, with quality and without necessary follow the latest neurotic "techie trend".
    In my own opinion for the regular/NON-TECHIE visitor of a website, the majority of the techie trends don't need to urgent be applied, and to be honest, I think as everything 90% is pure trash. Making a website loading on a smartphone is important, but is not because of not being "responsive" someone will stop being interested on the content of website. Visit http://www.vignelli.com and all of this started discussion will make sense.


    Admin this discussion started with me sharing my love for iWeb and asking "Any professional graphic design that uses iWeb?"

    But feel free to lock this discussion.


    Thanks




  • by Allan Eckert,

    Allan Eckert Allan Eckert Jan 29, 2015 3:05 PM in response to Corier
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    Jan 29, 2015 3:05 PM in response to Corier

    If by neurotic techie trends you mean web standards then I pity any business that uses anything you might produce.

  • by Corier,

    Corier Corier Jan 29, 2015 3:09 PM in response to Allan Eckert
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    Jan 29, 2015 3:09 PM in response to Allan Eckert

    And in iWeb you cannot apply web intelligent beautiful digital design standards?

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Jan 29, 2015 3:10 PM in response to Corier
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    Jan 29, 2015 3:10 PM in response to Corier

    Corier wrote:

     


    Admin this discussion started with me sharing my love for iWeb and asking "Any professional graphic design that uses iWeb?"

    But feel free to lock this discussion.


    It is not necessary to give the moderators permission to lock a thread, if they wish to they will do so.

  • by Corier,

    Corier Corier Jan 29, 2015 3:15 PM in response to Csound1
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    Jan 29, 2015 3:15 PM in response to Csound1

    Of course, I was just showing that this discussion went to further and has irrelevant observations from the initial question.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jan 29, 2015 3:27 PM in response to Corier
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    Jan 29, 2015 3:27 PM in response to Corier

    Corier wrote:

     

    In response only to petermac87:

     

    "If you have 7+ years experience in Dreamweaver and and cannot see that iWeb is a very basic Web Designer then all I can say is God help your clients." - petermac87


    I never said here I "cannot see" that iWeb is a very basic webdesign software. Yes it is. What I think is that is possible to create professional websites with iWeb, for small/medium business owners, with quality and without necessary follow the latest neurotic "techie trend".
    In my own opinion for the regular/NON-TECHIE visitor of a website, the majority of the techie trends don't need to urgent be applied, and to be honest, I think as everything 90% is pure trash. Making a website loading on a smartphone is important, but is not because of not being "responsive" someone will stop being interested on the content of website. Visit http://www.vignelli.com and all of this started discussion will make sense.


    Admin this discussion started with me sharing my love for iWeb and asking "Any professional graphic design that uses iWeb?"

    But feel free to lock this discussion.


    Thanks




    I never said that you said that you could not see it. But judging from your removed threads, you really are confused about things, and I am starting to believe by your childish 'I love iWeb' comments that you are only here to troll and that, in fact, you have no experience with Dreamweaver. The Mods will not lock this post, which will remain open. But if I were you, I would either start posting technical responses or just forget this thread you started.

     

    Cheers

     

    Pete

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jan 29, 2015 4:48 PM in response to Corier
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    Jan 29, 2015 4:48 PM in response to Corier

    Corier wrote:

    I challenge you to visit the site of already gone brilliant Massimo Vignelli.

    I challenge you to another simple test…


    Find the site's intro text in Google.

     

    Look at the homepage… http://vignelli.com/intro.html

    As humans we can read his inspirational the text which says…

    I like design to be

    semantically correct,

    syntactically consistent, and

    pragmatically understandable.


    I like it to be visually powerful,

    intellectually elegant, and

    above all timeless.


    Massimo Vignelli

     

    Now Google is a 'robot' – it cannot read that text because it is an image.

     

    Copy, paste that text & search for that entire quote in Google.com.

    It is found on countless other websites but never found on his own site. I looked at 10 pages of Google results NOT ONE LINKED TO HIS OWN SITE.

     

    This is why you should not use iWeb for paying customers.

    Paying customers tend to get a bit sad when they find out their homepage is not found on Google despite searching for the exact text which should be in the search results.

     

    This technique also breaks accessibility laws that are REQUIRED by many countries - the website is unusable to anyone who uses a screen reader.

     

    I'm not trying to belittle you or ridicule your choices. Seriously I'm glad you found something you apparently love, but if you had any sense you would convert the iWeb designs into a site made in Dreamweaver. HTML5, CSS, web fonts & some skill can make that entire site appear in Google's results with no loss in the style by displaying text as actual text.

     

    iWeb breaks web standards by turning text into images. I pointed this out in my second post to you & yet you still hold http://vignelli.com in high regard despite this flaw.

     

    He was a fantastic designer but http://vignelli.com was made by someone with no clue about how the internet works, give it a few hours & this page will appear higher than his site in Google search results!

  • by Corier,

    Corier Corier Jan 30, 2015 7:47 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jan 30, 2015 7:47 AM in response to Drew Reece

    That's absolutely true. But that example you shown could be written in text with a image beyond the text, something you can do with iWeb. Maybe I didn't get it, but that was not a good example.
    I just googled "Massimo Vignelli" and the website appears on top. It appears on top maybe because the website exists online so many years and Google respects that.

  • by Wyodor,

    Wyodor Wyodor Jan 30, 2015 8:45 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jan 30, 2015 8:45 AM in response to Drew Reece

    but if you had any sense you would convert the iWeb designs into a site made in Dreamweaver.

     

    Don't know what the point of the discussion is, but

     

    http://vignelli.com/intro.html

     

    is made with Dreamweaver (just look at the source and admire the landfill) and according to the header, the page was last updated :

     

    Last-Modified => Sat, 07 Mar 2009 03:48:16 GMT

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jan 30, 2015 10:10 AM in response to Wyodor
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    Jan 30, 2015 10:10 AM in response to Wyodor

    Yep I know. Dreamweaver outputs bad sites too. I thought it was odd that the OP linked it as a part of this thead.

    DW seems to be the only other tool the OP uses besides Wordpress & Joomla.

     

    iWeb has the same habit of spewing images out for text, which should cause alarm bells in any web professional. Barely existing in search engines is a practical way to fail in business.

    Corier If you are not convinced now there seems little point continuing the discussion.

    Notice how no one is saying it is a great idea. Not one professional has showed up to say good things about using iWeb.

  • by Corier,

    Corier Corier Jan 30, 2015 1:43 PM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jan 30, 2015 1:43 PM in response to Drew Reece

    "Notice how no one is saying it is a great idea. Not one professional has showed up to say good things about using iWeb."

    That's exactly why I made the post

     

    Thanks for your mature and polite responses.
    Best for all.

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jan 30, 2015 1:45 PM in response to Corier
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    Jan 30, 2015 1:45 PM in response to Corier

    And a wonderfull and helpful thread it is at that.

     

    Thank you

     

    Pete

  • by Corier,

    Corier Corier Jan 30, 2015 2:14 PM in response to Corier
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    Jan 30, 2015 2:14 PM in response to Corier

    By the way, what do you think about this software "iWeb Seo Tool" for iWeb? http://www.ragesw.com/products/iweb-seo-tool.html

  • by petermac87,

    petermac87 petermac87 Jan 30, 2015 3:23 PM in response to Corier
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    Jan 30, 2015 3:23 PM in response to Corier

    OK I suppose if you like outdated software.

     

    Pete

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