The MBox.

ok, I was cool with your fanatical Mbox and protools promotion on here until you went as far as to say that MOTU and Metric Halo can't remotely compare. Yeah, the Mbox is solid. It's a great little system for doing what you need to do, pretty much wherever you need to do it. But to say that MOTU can't compare, and that metric halo is garbage pretty much made me realize that you have probably never used a real set of preamps. Sure, MH and MOTU aren't the best, but to say the rudimentary Mbox is so much more superior to them is pretty much like a homeless person running around bragging to homeowners about the cardboard box he lives in.

ProTools is the industry standard, sure, but currently being in school for muliple facets of the music industry, including recording and production, has rendered me quite a bit of time in the protools lab. I've been using protools since my freshman year of high school. After using logic for 4 months I go intot the protools lab and wonder how protools has retained the ground it has. It is moving in the direction of antiquity. Sure, it resembles a mixing console, but compared to logic, PT is a pain in the nether regions.

ok - how is this for reference....

Studio Pre-Amps: Manley SLAM - Avalon SP737 - UREI

I did not say that that MOTU NOR MHLABS SUCK - I just said they cant compare...

B4 buying the Mbox I tested the following:

MObile I/O (MHLABS)
Traveller (MOTU)
MiniMe (ApoGee)

My criteria was to get the best solution for recording vocals on the road... The setup was ran in Logic with a shure 58. The best result was to my HUGE surprise rendered by the MbOx...

I do agree that the Mbox and Logic is a NO GO.... But never the less that dont make the box bad or as u said the WORST AUDIO INTERFACE OUT THERE....

Protools = Antique - well - when it comes to midi I'd say : Yeah - you are right on the dime. But as fare as audio concerns it supersedes Logic... And if you say it doesnt - well then - you obviously have never had the chance to NJOY sampleedit in arrange and playlist functions - actually it sounds to me that you arent even aware of those features in PT - Maybe you should have a glance at the manual next time you goto the PROTOOLS LAB - have fun at the SAE

I have yet to meet a GOOD composer Producer who cant
get it done on 32....If one cant get it dont on 32
tracks chances are high he cant get it done at
all....Ever heard of bounce:_)))))))) Maybe Logic
gives u 255 tracks but try putting some great effects
on 100 of those tracks and logic will change it's
name form PRO to QUIT....

That is interesting since a couple of months ago
you wrote this....



our vocal recs are about 48 tracks alone on top comes the playback - we are doing about 70 tracks when recording a song ...


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why steve? Do you not have fun at the SAE?? ha.

I never said the box was bad. I have great respect for the mbox as I quite clearly stated, its great for what its made for. And if you can find my quote where I said it was the worst audio interface out there, let me know.

I'd probably have to say the fasttrack is one of the worst out there. . . not the Mbox by a long shot. And it was more that I was talking about pro tools. Sure, its great, it works, but I think Digidesign is getting complacent, and that's why pro tools feels antiquated. While everyone is striving to improve, Digidesign doesn't seem like it is. Digidesign is a confining company to get involved with, they are horribly monopolistic in the worst possible ways. Thanks for capitalizing PROTOOLS LAB by the way, yes my friend, I am in school. I'd honestly rather be here as a 20 year old than out on my own trying to find an audio job. So, I have no shame in working in the PROTOOLS LAB, or even having a "glance at the manual."

SAE - when an engineer calls us at the studio for work the first thing we ask him is if he went to the SAE... If the answer is yes : Our answer is NO.... Catch my drift. SAE people come out a that mobster school thinking they know it all(after 2 years) hehehehe - truth is they cant do nothing and after havin paid a visit to SAE they chances of getting a job just gotten worse...

bro, I'm not in school for an associates degree (which is about all 2 years of school will get you). I don't even go to SAE. . . you just assumed i did so i kinda. . . poked a bit at you, but. . . i guess that went over your head some. anyway, I'm in for 4 years, I have no plans of going to SAE.

It's too bad your "studio" discounts people immediately upon hearing about what school they went to. You never know what someone's personal ability, experience previous to that school, or personal drive to learn more is.

I don't know how much I'd trust whatever you do, considering you constantly assume ridiculous things, read quote me on things I never said, and are generally rather juvenile in the way you go about discussions.

lelya, yoiu are better off with seperate midi and audio connections.
latency and midi timing errors will increase using the same box of both.

I just want to know whether I can continue my
ProTools LE 7 work in ProTools LE 6. I know I can do
the other way round, ie 6 then 7. But I'm not sure
whether I can go 7 then 6, or even 7>6>7>6>.....

That question would be better asked on duc.digidesign.com, in their 'Pro Tools LE on Mac' forum, but my guess would be 'no', since Pro Tools 7 added some new features, for instance, the 'Instrument' track type.

Also, can the MBox 2 be a MIDI interface for Logic
Pro 7 as well as an audio interface? I guess I will
only do one audio track recording at a time, so the
latency problem from te USB 1.1 wouldn't be a
problem. Am I right?

Yes, you can use Mbox 2 for Logic's MIDI interface AND audio interface. There shouldn't (and probably won't) be any latency implications all the way up to the maximum I/O the interface supports.


Quad G5 2.5Ghz 4.5GB 2x250G, PB 15" 1.5Ghz,80G,1.5G Mac OS X (10.4.8) Logic Pro 7.2.3, Focusrite Saffire...

the core audio drivers from digidesign are not the
best with logic pro....But man buying the mbox
automatically grant u access to the best recording
software available : Protools....Use that and 4get
about Logic .... Why use a Volkswagen when u got a
lamborghini in the garage:-))))

You and tele should get together and go bowling.

Dual 1.8Ghz G5 PB G4 1Ghz LP7.1.1 RME FF800 Mac OS X (10.4.8) Reaktor 5.1 Reason 3.0.5 Live 5.0.2 Battery 2.1.5 Recycle 2.1 DFH 1.5.3

This thread is a real loop......
Before there's Leiya question then some answers then flames, again another Leiya question, other answers then flames........

I'd like to stop this malefic turnaround whose only result is to offend Leiya....

....and to damage the forum......

Ok Leiya, the question is: do you really need PT?
If the answer is yes then there's no choice, you'll have to buy a Mbox (or another digi audio interface).
If the answer is no then you have several different (opposite, I should say...) opinions. Each one have exposed his arguments, it's to you to evaluate.

If you need other opinions make a search for Pro tools, Digidesign, mbox etc.

cheers

rob

someone ought to ho' slap you for making such
incompetent statements on a public forum. The MbOX 2
may not give you too many i/o's but the converters
and the preamps on the Mbox 2 are very I repeat VERY
good..... Motu i.e. cant even compare remotely
neither can Metric Halo although the say their
interface is soooooo great...

Your post is borderline incoherent.

My favorite part is the "i.e." in the middle of a "sentence".

Are you saying the MBox2 is better than something by Metric Halo?

<Are you saying the MBox2 is better than something by Metric Halo? >

Yes I am. >Tested them next to another and the preamps of the Mbox are SUPERIOR to those of the Metric Halo...

why does one have to face a compat for saying anything nice about digidesign products.... Most people on this forum act like PC users when they hear about a MAC - Be happy about what you got and stop attacking people for recommending different things than you b using

Metric Halo 2882 or ULN-2? Completely different preamps.