early mac pro with 10.10.2 and L10.1- a few issues

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early mac pro with 10.10.2 and L10.1- a few issues

Hi All,

Wondering if new mac pro will remedy the following. Since updating to LX10 and Yosemite on my early '09 MacPro, having these issues:

1.Sluggish in the graphics (automation drawing, redraws, linked score and piano roll graphics, etc).

2. Audio frequently mutes when rig is being synced to mtc. Unitor for sync

3. Chase Notes Setting disables after most scissor edits

4. Screen sets frequently get mangled

My template utilizes several slaves over VEP, plus many software insts in Logic, also large audio mixer. Template was not imported, but built in LX

All was a breeze on this rig with L9/SnowLep.

My main question is, will all of this clear up by upgrading one of the the new MacPros (circular thing)? Are many people using the new ones yet with Logic?

Thanks for any insight.

Mark

MacPro early '09 - Intel 2x2.6, 16G Ram

Graphics: nvdia GeForce 8800GT -dual 30' Apple Cinemas

Yosemite 10.10.2

Logic 10.1

RME Madi

Unitors

Posted on Feb 6, 2015 11:24 PM

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Answer 1

Pancenter

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Feb 7, 2015 12:34 AM in response to mrl2

This has briefly been discussed among a few members online here, Art of Sound, Octopi.

General consensus is you will never see the smooth performance of Logic-9 and Snow Leopard again. Both Logic and OSX have evolved from "performance oriented" to mass appeal oriented. Apple is looking to a wider audience. Logic is now released to the public in beta condition, meanwhile OSX is being brought under the iOS development program so there will eventually be a single development program for both mobile and desktops.

I have a 2010 Mac Pro and I'm staying with L9 and SL.

Even a new Mac Pro can't overpower OSX and Logic.

Horrible performance on new Mac pro

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Answer 2

mrl2 Author

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Feb 7, 2015 12:32 AM in response to Pancenter

Thank you Pancenter. Now I'm really bummed:) I did read that other post you referred to. Figured the guy just had some bad software.

Drawing midi and audio automation is arduous at best with this setup. (Except I can see it better in LX)

Thanks

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Answer 3

Pancenter

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Feb 7, 2015 12:36 AM in response to mrl2

Well, hang in there as Art of Sound is getting a new MacPro and he knows how to set things up properly and will be able to give you an idea if you can match or exceed the performance of your L9/SL system.

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Answer 4

Feb 7, 2015 10:16 AM in response to Pancenter

Hi all 🙂

I'm a bit busy this weekend in the studio.. (with my new Mac Pro!) so bear with me and Ill try and offer some advice as and when I can.....

But as Pancenter so rightly states, if I had a choice, I'd stick with SL and LP9 for as long as I could... The only reason Im using Yosemite and LPX at the moment is because my new Mac Pro isn't supported under SL.... so I have no choice but to enter the 'dark side" 🙂

However, the combo of LPX10.1 and Yosemite 10.10.2 on the new Mac Pro has been a lot more stable (Once i cleared out older plugins etc) and providing better overall performance than any previous OS X / LPX combo I have tried.... Its still not as good as my SL10.6.8/LP9.1.5 setup.. but its getting there and after this weekend, I should have a better idea as to how to properly set things up to get the most out of the new hardware/OS X configuration...

Of course, others here may also have some alternative opinions and advice to offer in the meantime... so please don't take mine as 'gospel' by any means! 😀

Cheers..

Nigel

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Answer 5

mrl2 Author

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Feb 7, 2015 11:12 AM in response to The Art Of Sound

Looking forward to hearing about your experiences ArtOfSound. Thanks.

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Answer 6

mrl2 Author

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Feb 28, 2015 2:43 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

Hi Nigel and Pancenter,

One other issue I'm having is very slow Undo. (Only 25 steps in prefs). Below is a report showing a LEGACY FILE VAULT ERROR in System Launch Daemons. Not sure how to resolve that or what to look for. Thanks for any advice.

Mark

EtreCheck version: 2.1.8 (121)

Report generated February 28, 2015 at 2:21:52 PM PST

Download EtreCheck from http://etresoft.com/etrecheck

Click the [Click for support] links for help with non-Apple products.

Click the [Click for details] links for more information about that line.

Hardware Information: ℹ️

Mac Pro (Early 2009) (Technical Specifications)

Mac Pro - model: MacPro4,1

2 2.26 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon CPU: 8-core

16 GB RAM Upgradeable

DIMM 1

2 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 2

2 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 3

2 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 4

2 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 5

2 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 6

2 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 7

2 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 8

2 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported

Wireless: en2: 802.11 a/b/g/n

Video Information: ℹ️

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT - VRAM: 512 MB

Cinema HD 2560 x 1600

System Software: ℹ️

OS X 10.10.2 (14C109) - Time since boot: one day 0:55:55

Disk Information: ℹ️

HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GH41N

WDC WD5000AZLX-00CL5A0 disk3 : (500.11 GB)

EFI (disk3s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

SYSTEM MAV (disk3s2) / : 499.25 GB (378.25 GB free)

Recovery HD (disk3s3) <not mounted> [Recovery]: 650 MB

WDC WD1001FALS-00Y6A0 disk1 : (1 TB)

EFI (disk1s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

LOGIC (disk1s2) /Volumes/LOGIC : 999.86 GB (739.21 GB free)

WDC WD10EADS-00L5B1 disk2 : (1 TB)

EFI (disk2s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

FULL SAMPLE LIBRARY (disk2s2) /Volumes/FULL SAMPLE LIBRARY : 999.86 GB (32.84 GB free)

WDC WD1002FAEX-00Z3A0 disk0 : (1 TB)

EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

EXTRA SPACE (disk0s2) /Volumes/EXTRA SPACE : 999.86 GB (483.67 GB free)

USB Information: ℹ️

Syncrosoft eLicenser

Apple Computer, Inc. Apple Cinema HD Display

Apple, Inc. Keyboard Hub

KORG INC. nanoPAD2

Apple Inc. Apple Keyboard

Mitsumi Electric Apple Optical USB Mouse

Kensington Kensington Expert Mouse

KORG INC. nanoKONTROL

Broadcom BCM2046B1

Broadcom Corp BCM92046DG-CL1ROM

Emagic GmbH Unitor8 MkII

iLok iLok

Configuration files: ℹ️

/etc/sysctl.conf - Exists

Gatekeeper: ℹ️

Mac App Store and identified developers

Kernel Extensions: ℹ️

/Library/Extensions

[loaded] com.RME.driver.HDSPMADI (4.02 - SDK 10.9) [Click for support]

[not loaded] com.caiaq.driver.NIUSBGuitarRigMobileDriver (2.6.0 - SDK 10.8) [Click for support]

[not loaded] com.caiaq.driver.NIUSBHardwareDriver (2.6.0 - SDK 10.8) [Click for support]

[loaded] com.kensington.trackballworks.driver (1.1.2 - SDK 10.7) [Click for support]

/System/Library/Extensions

[not loaded] com.AmbrosiaSW.AudioSupport (4.1.2 - SDK 10.7) [Click for support]

[loaded] com.musiclab.driver.molcp3 (3.3.5) [Click for support]

[not loaded] com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.master (5.9.1 - SDK 10.6) [Click for support]

/System/Library/Extensions/PACESupportFamily.kext/Contents/PlugIns

[not loaded] com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.leopard (5.9.1 - SDK 10.4) [Click for support]

[not loaded] com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.panther (5.9.1 - SDK 10.-1) [Click for support]

[loaded] com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.snowleopard (5.9.1 - SDK 10.6) [Click for support]

[not loaded] com.paceap.kext.pacesupport.tiger (5.9.1 - SDK 10.4) [Click for support]

Startup Items: ℹ️

MolCp3Startup: Path: /System/Library/StartupItems/MolCp3Startup

Startup items are obsolete in OS X Yosemite

Problem System Launch Daemons: ℹ️

[failed] com.apple.loginwindow.LFVTracer.plist [Click for details]

Launch Agents: ℹ️

[running] com.eastwest.server.plist [Click for support]

[running] de.rme-audio.hdspAgent.plist [Click for support]

Launch Daemons: ℹ️

[loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist [Click for support]

[loaded] com.ambrosiasw.ambrosiaaudiosupporthelper.daemon.plist [Click for support]

[running] com.musiclab.molcp3d.plist [Click for support]

[running] com.paceap.eden.licensed.plist [Click for support]

[loaded] PACESupport.plist [Click for support]

User Launch Agents: ℹ️

[loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist [Click for support]

[running] com.spotify.webhelper.plist [Click for support]

User Login Items: ℹ️

iTunesHelper Application (/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunesHelper.app)

TrackballWorksHelper Application Hidden (/Library/PreferencePanes/TrackballWorks.prefPane/Contents/Resources/TrackballW orksHelper.app)

NIHardwareAgent Application Hidden (/Library/Application Support/Native Instruments/Hardware/NIHardwareAgent.app)

Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️

FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 16.0.0.305 - SDK 10.6 [Click for support]

Flash Player: Version: 16.0.0.305 - SDK 10.6 [Click for support]

QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.7.3

JavaAppletPlugin: Version: 15.0.0 - SDK 10.10 Check version

Default Browser: Version: 600 - SDK 10.10

Safari Extensions: ℹ️

DuckDuckGo

3rd Party Preference Panes: ℹ️

Flash Player [Click for support]

TrackballWorks [Click for support]

Native Instruments USB Audio [Click for support]

Unitor 8-64 [Click for support]

Time Machine: ℹ️

Skip System Files: NO

Mobile backups: OFF

Auto backup: NO - Auto backup turned off

Volumes being backed up:

Destinations:

LOGIC_TIME MACH [Local]

Total size: 698.56 GB

Total number of backups: 40

Oldest backup: 2014-02-05 03:09:48 +0000

Last backup: 2015-02-19 08:16:12 +0000

Size of backup disk: Excellent

Backup size 698.56 GB > (Disk size 0 B X 3)

Top Processes by CPU: ℹ️

17% Logic Pro X

7% coreaudiod

6% WindowServer

5% TotalmixFX

4% Logic Pro

Top Processes by Memory: ℹ️

5.65 GB Vienna Ensemble Pro

3.40 GB Logic Pro X

498 MB Logic Pro

429 MB softwareupdated

361 MB WindowServer

Virtual Memory Information: ℹ️

713 MB Free RAM

5.74 GB Active RAM

5.04 GB Inactive RAM

5.66 GB Wired RAM

7.77 GB Page-ins

139 KB Page-outs

Diagnostics Information: ℹ️

Feb 28, 2015, 12:15:05 AM /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/LegacyFileVaultMessageTracer_2015-02-28-001505_ [redacted].crash

Feb 27, 2015, 01:25:03 PM Self test - passed

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Answer 7

Pancenter

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14,644 points

Feb 28, 2015 4:20 PM in response to mrl2

I've looked in the past messages as I recall someone mentioning this before.

One of the solutions related to upgrading something relating to waves plugins, wave shell or something related to the copy protection.

There's also these:

Re: Very slow Undo/Redo Process !

Re: Hi, can anyone tell me the solution to my query... The rainbow ball appears when pressing undo, and it stays for 3-5 seconds every time i press undo. I noticed this when i was deleting stuff in the Piano roll, but it happens every time i undo now.

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Answer 8

Feb 28, 2015 6:22 PM in response to Pancenter

Its also worth noting the OP has both Logic pro X and Logic Pro running at the same time on the same machine...

5.65 GB Vienna Ensemble Pro

3.40 GB Logic Pro X

498 MB Logic Pro

429 MB softwareupdated

361 MB WindowServer

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Answer 9

Pancenter

Level 6

14,644 points

Feb 28, 2015 7:36 PM in response to The Art Of Sound

The Art Of Sound wrote:

Its also worth noting the OP has both Logic pro X and Logic Pro running at the same time on the same machine...

5.65 GB Vienna Ensemble Pro

3.40 GB Logic Pro X

498 MB Logic Pro

429 MB softwareupdated

361 MB WindowServer

I saw that.. but thought it must surely be one time thing as no one would run both at the same time an and complain about Logic-X being slow.

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Answer 10

mrl2 Author

Level 1

18 points

Feb 28, 2015 9:27 PM in response to Pancenter

Yes, sorry. Launched 9 to bounce Audio to Movie (does not work for me in LX) and forgot it was up when I ran diagnostic. I never run them at the same time. I wonder does even having 9 installed on same machine interfere with LX prefs, or are they discreet?

The undo slowness has been happening since Mavericks/LX for me. Thanks Pancenter, I will go thru those posts you mentioned. Think it's time to start over on fresh system drive/clean installs.

Thanks for input.

Mark

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