Cloned start-up disk won't boot G4

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Cloned start-up disk won't boot G4

Quicksilver Mac.

My OSX 10.4.11 ATA start-up drive died recently.

I had previously cloned it to a new SATA drive on my Tempo PCI card.

Then, soon after, the SATA clone wigged out.

I just bought a used Mac Pro and, out of curiosity, I whacked in

that SATA drive and it turned up on the desktop.

CCC told me the disk manifested mechanical problems but

seemed able to clone what it said would be a bootable copy.

However, the cloned SATA won't boot the old Quicksilver.

The drive is seen and mounts OK and I can access stuff

on it but it won't actually boot the computer. The Apple

logo appears but that black circle just keeps on spinning.

What I desperately want is to retrieve old emails from

within Outlook Express 5.6 but I can no longer open

the application from the cloned drive.

So...I can boot the Quicksilver but not from the disk

I want.

Any tips or insights? Have I cloned wrongly?

All suggestions welcome and thanks!

Jet

PowerMac, Mac OS X (10.4.11)

Posted on Feb 23, 2015 8:13 AM

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Answer 1

Limnos

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Feb 23, 2015 12:46 PM in response to Drive Don't Fail Me Now

Okay, I got:

You have a Quicksilver but made it SATA compatible with a special card.

You cloned your ATA boot to the SATA.

The SATA drive went bad.

You put the presumably bad SATA in a Mac Pro and it showed on the desktop.

Now I am a bit hazy. From what did you clone back to the SATA with CCC? The Intel Mac (which may not have a PPC bootable version of OSX)? Did you re-format the drive first since it was reported as being bad by CCC? If you did, did you use GUI (for Intel boot) or APM (for PPC boot)?

Drives may be readable for general data use even if damaged, but if the damage lies in the boot areas of the drive it can be no good for booting.

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Answer 2

rccharles

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Feb 23, 2015 2:38 PM in response to Limnos

What I desperately want is to retrieve old emails from

within Outlook Express 5.6

Maybe you could copy out the email files and access them with a later version of outlook.

What I desperately want is to retrieve old emails from

within Outlook Express 5.6 but I can no longer open

the application from the cloned drive.

I'm not sure where the data nor Outlook is. You could use file sharing to access the data from someother computer. Buy another hd and place in quicksilver. Nothing fancy. Get a drive that the quicksilver reads/writes natively. Even I used.

Robert

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Answer 3

Feb 23, 2015 6:31 PM in response to Limnos

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I first cloned the defective SATA to a fresh SATA using CCC on the Mac Pro.

Although there were some files that were not able to be copied, the list shown

at the end of the process did not suggest they were key ones, plus CCC had

told me the new clone would still be bootable.

And, yes, I partitioned the fresh SATA just as I have done many times before and chose

Apple Partition Map for PPC boot.

However, as I was cloning within an Intel environment (Mac Pro) I did not get

the "Install OS9 drivers?" option when partitioning. I don't really need native 9.2.2 anymore.

Classic is sufficient, as in the past all my Outlook Express 5 emails were accessible via it.

The "new" SATA clone does launch Classic on the Quicksilver,

but Outlook Express now opens as if it's a fresh/new application and all the

old emails are gone.

I was hoping that if I could boot from the clone that maybe those emails

would still show.

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Answer 4

Feb 23, 2015 6:35 PM in response to rccharles

Thanks for your reply.

I have searched a lot about where Outlook Express email data resides.

I've found the Microsoft Users and Identities Folders but they are

both empty on my cloned drive. I have no idea where these emails

have gone nor how to locate them.

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Answer 5

Feb 23, 2015 6:42 PM in response to Drive Don't Fail Me Now

So...in summary...Outlook Express 5 still opens within the Classic environment

from my clone but now the emails I used to have access to are no longer there.

The cloned start-up won't boot the Quicksilver.

Is it the missing OS9 drivers that are the problem, or is the problem

that I cloned on an Intel (even though I used APM there)?

Or, as you suggest, maybe the damaged SATA really is

kaputsch to begin with and no amount of cloning will enable

a boot again?

Looks like I may be out of luck on this one.

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Answer 6

rccharles

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Feb 23, 2015 6:43 PM in response to Drive Don't Fail Me Now

The "new" SATA clone does launch Classic on the Quicksilver,

but Outlook Express now opens as if it's a fresh/new application and all the

old emails are gone.

Well, if you not booted from the drive and the drive is a secondary drive, the email folders are not in the some place. A mail app will look in the default place & not find the emails.

You could try:

-- moving the home folder as found on the secondary drive to the startup drive. Might have to play around with permissions etc. Might just copy of the "right" folder with the mail stuff in it.

Robert

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Answer 7

Limnos

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Feb 24, 2015 7:57 AM in response to Drive Don't Fail Me Now

Drive Don't Fail Me Now wrote:

Thanks for your reply.

The "new" SATA clone does launch Classic on the Quicksilver,

Hold on, I though the SATA wasn't booting the Quicksilver. How does it launch Classic on the QS? A MacPro can't run Classic so if something is running Classic it has to be the PPC.

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Answer 8

Feb 24, 2015 8:18 AM in response to Limnos

I have a functional ATA drive that I was able to put a fresh install

of 10.4 on and it's booting the Quicksilver. The SATA is on the

Tempo PCI card. The SATA drive appears on the desk top and I can open

it up and access its apps, folders, etc and it's there where I have

Outlook Express 5. Clicking on the OE5 icon prompts Classic to

launch...but unlike with previous cloned start-ups this time there

are no emails inside anymore.

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Answer 9

Limnos

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Feb 25, 2015 7:43 AM in response to Drive Don't Fail Me Now

So the question here isn't really how to get your disk to boot the PPC Mac, it is how to get the OE5 mail readable on another computer?

You really need somebody who has experience using OE5 (likely not on the Apple web site at all). My suggestion would be to see if there is something in preferences that lets you configure which e-mail folders to use, or if there's something like using the option key when starting to tell it where email is located as you do when telling iTunes what library to use. Since OE5 is Microsoft software and I have never used it I have no idea how they do it. 🙂

A general web search might assist. For example, with

mac outlook express 5 configure email folders

I found http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20061012031813924 which may have clues helping you

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