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Mar 8, 2015 11:27 AM in response to roadsideby roadside,Unfortunately, I can't repopulate the local (On My Mac) calendar. I just can't figure it out.
Help!
Here's what I've done:
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On Macintosh.
I’ve backed up Calendar while iCloud was still active (gives .icbu file).
Currently, Sys Prefs > iCloud > only FMM (and in my case, Notes) checked.
Now, Sys Prefs > iCloud > sign out. (Warnings appear that any iCloud data will be removed from Mac.) Proceed.
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iPhone.
Settings > iCloud.
Turn off Calendar, & choose ‘Keep on My iPhone.’ Easy.
(Somewhere in here my iPhone froze so I had to reboot it.)
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Webpage iCloud > Calendar
Left hand column, bottom > Edit.
Click red minus signs to delete existing calendar groups (except one; apparently one group is necessary. Can create a new blank calendar group to erase your last existing calendar group.)
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On Macintosh again.
Open calendar. It’s blank.
Calendar > Preferences > Accounts, iCloud is greyed out and NOT enabled. (Notice I can’t delete the iCloud CalDAV account, even though it’s inactive.)
To make an “On My Mac” account appear: Calendar > File > New Calendar > On My Mac. A new untitled calendar appears in left column under On My Mac.
Calendar > Import > Calendars and Reminders.icbu
Warning appears: Restoring will replace current data. Restore.
Message appears that calendar was successfully restored and will restart. OK.
Calendar is repopulated, BUT left hand column shows all calendars are under “iCloud” (not “On My Mac”) and a warning triangle appears next to it (likely because I am signed out of iCloud).
The “On My Mac” calendar has disappeared, and there is no “On My Mac” location in the left column anymore. I am unable to create a new “On My Mac” calendar; the only option is “iCloud” for new calendar.
Look under Calendar > Preferences > Accounts, iCloud account has self-enabled. (If uncheck it, the imported calendars disappear.)
All the above, mind you, while I'm signed out of iCloud.
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Mar 8, 2015 12:39 PM in response to roadsideby Glenn Leblanc,When you export the calendar, choose Export and not calendar archive. Highlight the calendar to export and do this. Repeat for all calendars. Once done, uncheck iCloud to remove iCloud calendars from the application.
Once iCal is empty, choose Import. Select one of the calendars you exported. It should create a new calendar, or if it asks you, select create a new calendar. It should then create a local calendar from the exported one.
Repeat for all.
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Mar 8, 2015 4:09 PM in response to Glenn Leblancby roadside,Brilliant, Glenn. A piecemeal export of calendars that had not occurred to me.
In the meantime, I've experienced the "Computorial Berserks," that state of temporary madness where you'll do anything to make the computer work, and came up with a cheater's solution, which was to simply grab an archive of my calendar from my laptop, which I abandoned not 2 weeks ago. Since *that* calendar archive was never tainted by iCloud, it ported calendars over into "On My Mac" easily. I realize that's not an option for most people, so it's definitely cheating.
Having (1) iCloud signed out at Sys Prefs; (2) no iCloud appearing under Preferences > Accounts for either Contacts or Calendars; (3) empty calendars and contacts in iCloud by way of webpage; and (4) my data for calendars and contacts resurrected on both Mac and iPhone, I connected the iPhone via USB cable and launched iTunes. And lo and behold, after clicking on the iPhone icon at the top, the Info row in the left-hand column now displays as Mudge said it would in an earlier response: At the top, a Sync Contacts control, and at the bottom, a Sync Calendars control. A sight for these sore eyes!
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Mar 8, 2015 4:30 PM in response to roadsideby Glenn Leblanc,Good to see you making progress for the way you want it. Yosemite is making it harder than ever to not be a part of iCloud. I assume future updates may be even worse in this matter. Maybe those not wanting to be part of that should have not gone beyond Mavericks.
Anyway, hope it works out for you.
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Mar 8, 2015 4:54 PM in response to roadsideby roadside,After all this work, here's how the Info tab in iTunes changed (compare to previous posting):
And there was this unexpected dialog box (I chose Merge):
And then this, which I "Reviewed Now" and found was easily resolved with a couple of clicks:
Contacts look good on both iPhone and Mac. There were some duplicates in Calendars.
BOTTOM LINE: Yes, you can sync contacts and calendars locally in Yosemite using iTunes. BUT you have to restore local versions of contacts and calendars first. And iCloud does not give them up easily.
One additional warning: I started to engage a few iCloud tools I wanted. First was Notes, with no drama. But when I tried to switch on Reminders, iCloud got independently active and once again stripped the entries from Contacts on my Mac. Apparently Reminders wants an iCloud version of Calendars. So beware Reminders if you're trying to De-iCloud your Calendars. For myself, Reminders will remain turned off, on iCloud.
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Mar 8, 2015 5:17 PM in response to Glenn Leblancby roadside,Glenn, thanks so much for your help, truly appreciated. You note: "Yosemite is making it harder than ever to not be a part of iCloud. I assume future updates may be even worse in this matter. Maybe those not wanting to be part of that should have not gone beyond Mavericks."
Joining iCloud across the board, and then changing your mind (as I did), is indeed difficult. I realize the cloud is Apple's vision of the future. But there are also certain hard realities: the infamous "iCloud hack" of celebrity nudes, the fraud associated with ApplePay, the likelihood that Apple participates in the NSA's Prism program and is able to hand over your cloud data if requested to do so by authorities (https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/09/22/apple-data/). You can argue that none of these things are Apple's fault, and I'd nod in agreement. But I hope they make Apple realize that the cloud is not the solution to everything, there's still room for private data on individually owned storage. (I think Hillary Clinton would agree.)
Not upgrading is not a viable option, it's just a temporary forestallment. Eventually an old computer/OS/software will be deprecated to a point where it's no longer useable. And I do want to be part of iCloud, but on my own terms, which means: no contacts & no calendars on the cloud. Local sync handles that perfectly well; I pray it continues to do so. Apple and the government don't need to know, remotely, who & what is in my contacts list, or how I plan my day.
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Mar 8, 2015 7:41 PM in response to roadsideby Glenn Leblanc,Well not to get into what is right or wrong or what the future will bring, but Apple is not the only one on the cloud path. Everyone is headed that way. How much control we will have with how we want it to be is yet to be seen.
But I agree. It's nice for people to have the choice on how to handle their data.
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Mar 8, 2015 9:11 PM in response to Glenn Leblancby roadside,Apple allows de-clouding the right way on the iPhone. If you want to de-cloud there, you just turn iCloud off and choose "save local." But to do the same on the Mac side, you have to basically trick iCloud into giving your data back. So the Mac side has some work to do. We're still in the Wild West of cloud computing. If I were hopping from computer to computer all day long, it would be ideal. But with a desktop and an iPhone that perform 99% of my computing? Of minor benefit outweighed by risk for sensitive data. I'm just thankful that Apple "groks" privacy and makes an effort.
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Mar 9, 2015 6:15 AM in response to roadsideby Glenn Leblanc,Signing out of iCloud ("de-clouding") on the computer gives you the same options as the phone does. I don't know why you did not see that. As I told you earlier, you needed to have them enabled first in the checkbox and active, then you should have gotten that. You should not have had to do anything but sign out of iCloud and choose to keep the data on the mac.
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Mar 9, 2015 8:36 AM in response to Glenn Leblancby roadside,Glenn, I'm very grateful for your help and don't want to sound like I'm arguing with the guy who (1) generously spent his expertise and time on my problem and (2) obviously knows much more about the Mac than I do. The simple option you describe for de-clouding the Mac was what I was expecting, and looking for, throughout multiple attempts. What I got was rather the opposite: warnings (either (1) upon unchecking individual iCloud services in Sys Prefs or (2) signing out of iCloud on the Mac altogether) that my data would be deleted from the Mac (and it was!). I'm not going to recreate it on my machine now that it's working, but my wife is using iCloud under 10.8.5 and if we attempt to (1) uncheck any of her iCloud services individually, or (2) sign out of iCloud entirely, she gets data deletion warnings similar to what I got under 10.10. The graphics are slightly different, but as you can see, iCloud is not releasing data back to the Mac, nor does it give any option to do so. And the warnings are to be taken seriously—the data really is removed from the Mac.
First image, a general sign-out attempt (if memory serves, multiple warnings flash up):
Following images, "a la carte" attempts to decloud by unchecking individual services:
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Mar 9, 2015 8:58 AM in response to roadsideby Glenn Leblanc,I signed out of iCloud several weeks back (maybe longer ago than I thought) and got different results. Most warnings for me allowed me to keep on the Mac.
I decided to retest that this morning and you are right. The only warning I got that allowed me to keep local was Contacts and Safari Passwords.


Not sure if I'm going crazy or this is something new in the latest update. But it was not like this last time I signed out of iCloud.
This may be just another Yosemite glitch.
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Mar 9, 2015 9:45 AM in response to Glenn Leblancby roadside,Wow, would you look at that!! The Holy Grail of dialog boxes--with an option to keep on the Mac! I swear solemnly upon my hard drive, I've never seen a dialog box like that on my Mac, or my wife's. Well, this is a relief in a way...neither of us is going insane. We're simply seeing different dialog boxes. Our "you have no options" dialog boxes are appearing on both the wife's 10.8.5 and on my 10.10.2 machines. Glenn, your profile says you're running 10.9, are you still?
Thanks for demonstrating that multiple dialogs are possible.
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Mar 9, 2015 9:54 AM in response to roadsideby Glenn Leblanc,Thanks for pointing that out. I'm am running 10.10.2. I just changed my profile.
Like I said, last time I got the options to keep data for just about all the apps, including Calendar. I'm pretty sure I wasn't dreaming. This time, I got only those 2 with the option to keep data. I have no idea what happened or changed.
Is it a glitch? I don't know. Maybe future updates will fix it.
It should give you the option to keep everything local when you sign out.
Send apple feedback on this issue.
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Mar 11, 2015 8:30 AM in response to roadsideby roadside,Alternate method: Here's a link to a video explaining how to set up a personal server that can sync Calendars in Yosemite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sbM0yKXK00
And another server tutorial, albeit for Mavericks, during the time when no local sync via iTunes was possible:
http://www.macworld.com/article/2061183/itunes-ios-syncing-gone-solve-it-with-se rver-.html
While I'm at it, I need to make a correction to a statement I made above:
"...when I tried to switch on Reminders, iCloud got independently active and once again stripped the entries from Contacts on my Mac."
I meant: "...it stripped the entries from CALENDAR..." Contacts were unharmed.
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Mar 24, 2015 11:11 AM in response to roadsideby roadside,For anyone searching on how to de-cloud your sync, there's also a discussion here:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1693410
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