Replacement to Aperture

Terence; What solution have you opted for ? I am using one mammoth Aperture Library (I liked the map function on it) which I subsequently cut down into smaller Aperture Libraries that I am now moving to Capture One piece meal as it became my main processing tool 18 months ago... I am concerned that one huge consolidated Capture one Catalogue will kill my computer ! (I have over 250,000 RAW pictures shot at 24 million pixels each...)

I'm still evaluating, I've about 10 more days before I make up my mind. Tho I'm leaning heavily towards On1 at this time.

That said the recent update to LR means that you can use Smart Previews as an option seems - on first test anyway - to have made things quite a bit faster. But too soon to judge.

I think my scale - 70k images, approx 25k raw - is much different from yours so I'm not sure how much relevance my performance reports will have for you.

Thanks Terence. Anyway, cleaning up the mess in Aperture for any transition is time consuming (I noticed I even had pictures reference in the old iPhotos !). Its real work... I heard Apple is already working on a patch for Siera... With a bit of kindness on their behalf, we may have full screen fix for Aperture (I somehow doubt it, but I am the eternal optimist...)

I have On1, and it's decent, but, there is an unresolved problem with Pentax PEF files.

When you browse a folder, it initially shows all the images in the folder, but after a few minutes it filters out all PEF files.

Tiffs, jpegs etc are unaffected.

Whether it happens with other Raw filetypes I don't know as I have no way of testing.

TBF to On1 they did spend time trying to resolve but failed & offered a full refund, which I decided against in the hope the upcoming Photo Raw will solve.

There is a workaround by holding shift whilst starting Photo10 which deletes it's settings file, but obviously this may cause issues too, although I've not worked out what they might be yet.

This is on a Mac Mini 2.3 16gb i7 with PEF files from a Pentax K5

Aperture excels at image management. Something that I believe should be the core of of all our images. After all our images are going to increase not decrease.

Management of the data (EXIF, IPTC, Geo Info, keywords etc) for the photographer (not the snap shooter) is important for good management & deploying images to image libraries or websites.

The options (and not limited too) for the photographer is namely Capture One Pro or Lightroom. Both these 'DAM' software can roundtrip to more sophisticated manipulation software such as Adobe Photoshop or Affinity Photo.

Similar to what Aperture can do.

I would like to see one piece of software do it all, the DAM & serious manipulations (and at the RAW level, hey we can dream).

But at the minute it's looking like two.

If Aperture is currently meeting your needs (and is functional), then it's a fine piece of software. This will give you time to test out the options and even buy a little time for more options to be made available.

Creative Pro user.... we are not in Apple's demographic

I share Peter's views.

I was an Aperture user from the beginning. It was a revelation. Well thought it. It empowered me in my photography.

I'm sure like many Apple users, my enthusiasm for the Apple / Mac products spilled over. My family, friends, colleagues & students started buying the products & software.

I can think of 4 photographers moving to the Mac platform because of Aperture alone!

I've seen the dumbing down of Apple products. This is fine if Apple wishes to dabble in the fickle consumerism. What's a fad today.... may not be a fad tomorrow!

I don't speak in the same manner of Apple / Mac products anymore. Please don't think these comments are a knee jerk reaction or 'sour grapes'. These thoughts are long in the making.

It would be a positive move if Apple would distinguish a consumer Apple and have an Apple Pro division. Canon make a very clear distinction. Then the working creative professionals can clearly plan their strategy. I rather be behind a company that is robust & proactive in making good products / software (and not one that is more interested in producing watch straps!!!!).

I'll step off my soapbox now.

Search the forum... we had all this about 3 years ago when the demise of Aperture was announced. That whole Consumer v Pro thing fails to take account of the fact that Apple are and always were a hardware company. They only make software to support the hardware. Look at Photos/Pages/Numbers... etc, designed to integrate the hardware: Mac/iPhone/iPad - helps sell hardware. See? As for dumbing down the products... they don't. Photos is not a dumbed down version of Aperture. It's a Smarted Up version of iPhoto. They just got out the Pro Shooter software, probably because they figured there's lots of options available for you, and it doesn't help sell hardware...

I paid 200€ for my first version of Aperture. I do not mind the money I invested, but all the work and planning it took to migrate my previous libraries to Aperture and to set up the Aperture libraries for my needs. Setting up the hierarchical keywords, smart albums, metadata presets, adjustment presets, button sets, smart webpages, writing Apple Scripts.

Not much of this could be saved, when I migrated the libraries to Photos. The migration saved the albums and projects, titles and captions, but most of the work invested in setting up the workspace and the smart albums and keywords was gone.

And I had to revert many of the edited photos to the original, because the edited versions did not migrate well.

I don't remember how much it was to be honest. I can live with out the money, it's just the principe.

All my projects and folders are gone from Aperture, I have not tried migrating them to photos but it's all backed up on iCloud. I probably also lost my edited photos but haven't checked. 😟

I guess I have to start from scratch in Lightroom, thanks apple.

Apple did not stop supporting Aperture, they stopped developing and selling it. You paid for the App running in the OS you had when you bought it. Keep that OS and the app will continue to run as it did the day you bought it. That's what paying for the app promises you. Nowhere did they promise to develop it or sell it forever and ever. You got what you paid for.

All my projects and folders are gone from Aperture, I have not tried migrating them to photos but it's all backed up on iCloud. I probably also lost my edited photos but haven't checked

How do you know they're backed up on iCloud? There is no service that Apple offers that backs up Aperture Libraries on iCloud.

Atli Marley wrote:

I want my money back. I was thinking about getting lightroom but desided to give aperture a try. How can apple stop supporting an app after people pay 70 USD for it?

Aperture still works for me on my Macs without any problem. So you will not get your money back because what you paid for still available.

If you look at any of the software vendors and the support provided, they are halting support whenever the business model for their application changes to the point where it is no longer profitable to do that. This is not just something that Apple does.

Terrence, I'm still using FCE (Final Cut Express)... what do you mean it was dropped years ago?

Do you know what you're talking about?

Tell them here feedback

We can't change their direction for you. You won't get an answer but if enough people complain then they may take it on board.

Cheers

Pete

So maybe you should tell Apple who is not here.

Here you are just talking to users like yourself who can't do anything about it.

Try posting at http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html