William Mcewen

Q: Apple supports adding a second monitor to my G4 iMac, but when I check the video card details, it says "Mirror  Off." Is there some way to turn mirroring on? Since Apple claims that mirroring is possible with this model, I assume a change is possible

Since Apple supports adding a second monitor to the 15" G4 iMac, when I checked the technical specifications, I found the details for the GeForce2 MX card stated "Mirror  Off" and no signal was going to the second monitor. Is there some way to turn "Mirror On" and if not, what is going on here?

Posted on Mar 9, 2015 11:59 AM

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  • by K Shaffer,Helpful

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Mar 9, 2015 12:55 PM in response to William Mcewen
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    Mar 9, 2015 12:55 PM in response to William Mcewen

    There is a possibility the display adapter may not be the correct model.

    Or that it could be inoperative. Some versions look similar but are not...

     

    Also, the external display has to be one supported by the iMac G4 output.

    Mini VGA, to standard VGA, is the primary path.

     

    see search:

    https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=apple+vga+display+adapter+imac+g4

     

    Did you restart the computer with the external display attached & turned on?

    Sometimes after such an event the extra display will appear in Displays

    preference panel.

     

    Depending on the system version running in the computer, the Preferences

    panel will also vary; so the answer would to some extent, as well.

     

    Though I have three iMac G4 (17-inch 1.25GHz) computers, none are up

    and running; of those one still can, but needs an optical drive. And maybe

    by now, also a 3.6v 1/2AA lithium PRAM battery replaced, too.

     

    In the older supported OS X and OS 9 versions (early iMacG4 dual-boots)

    the systems are so different as to make precision troubleshooting methods

    rather hit-and-miss; usually miss.

     

    The external display was proven to work with a different computer, and it is

    a VGA, not a DVI? There was a third-party software that could be used to

    help control an external display, and some users found them helpful to set

    up a display with older iMac G4,  iBook G4 or PowerBook, with external.

     

    •Switch ResX

    http://www.madrau.com/index.html

    older version download (shareware) here:

    http://www.madrau.com/srx_download/download.html

     

    Then, there was this screen-span utility that was not officially supported

    but worked with older computers, to help them with external displays:

    http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html & it may be a gamble.

     

    These suggest to add extra ability to change or allow effects to an additional

    display; usually if you have working adapters correct to the display & the port

    your computer is equipped with, a restart will allow control preferences to work.

     

    Some of the later VGA adapters for MacBook look like the earlier VGA ones

    for iBook/PowerBook/iMac G4; so be aware they may look similar but aren't.

    Mini VGA to VGA adapter versions can vary, too. I have an old unmarked one

    that works with iBook G4 and iMac G4 series; bought second-hand.

     

    Not sure if this will help you much...

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by William Mcewen,

    William Mcewen William Mcewen Mar 9, 2015 4:51 PM in response to K Shaffer
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    Mar 9, 2015 4:51 PM in response to K Shaffer

    My G4 is the 2002 version. It runs OS 10.3.9. I am using Apple's Mini-VGA to VGA adapter. It seems clear that no signal is getting to the second monitor. But as I noted, when looking at the panel listing the technical features of the computer, the information on the nVIDIA card shows the Mirror function as OFF. This makes me think the problem is in the video card and it is not transmitting any video signal to the mini-vga port. But why it is set to Off is unclear to me. That prompts my question of whether it could be turning to ON. Any thoughts on this?

  • by K Shaffer,Solvedanswer

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Mar 9, 2015 11:00 PM in response to William Mcewen
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    Mar 9, 2015 11:00 PM in response to William Mcewen

    The process with attaching the display, is to first attach the adapter to the display

    then, attach the other end of the adapter to the computer; with it powered off.

     

    with mac off, attach: display + adapter + Mac + restart computer.

    This is the most that should be necessary to enable Mirror mode.

     

    Some models use a keyboard command to toggle the display, but some are not

    swappable when the unit is running. Those with more active swap options can

    be changed over while they sleep, to mirror. Others with extended desktop mode

    in their system software, should be accessible by Displays preference panel.

     

    A suggested workaround is Command + F1, although that may work only with

    newer Macs or intel-based ones... as stated in this limited bit of information:

    http://osxdaily.com/2013/06/27/mirror-display-mac-keyboard-shortcut/

     

    Without a second way to test the hardware, or additional similar adapters to tell,

    the issue remains an unknown. Some info may be present in System Profiler on

    whatever evidence it finds with items attached; but no way to enable it there.

     

    Another idea may be to use the PRAM reset to see if that helps an different

    hardware problem as it may relate to software at almost a firmware level.

    •OS X Mavericks: Reset your computer’s PRAM  (method same on older OS X)

     

    Unlikely, but a PMU reset (button under metal bottom plate) has its moments:

    •Resetting the iMac (Flat Panel) Power Management Unit (PMU) - Apple Support

     

    Essentially, the workaround is to attempt to determine what is the cause of this

    issue where the display does not appear to Mirror. It may be an adapter needs

    to fully work, with a correct and functional display, before it appears automatically.

     

    The steps around the campfire are to tell if the heat and light come from using

    a match, if the fuel is correct and temperature of ignition source; with air present.

    Troubleshooting has led some of my outdoor friends to set up certain electronic

    items for 'target practice' at a point when all other methods were deemed failure.

     

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by William Mcewen,Helpful

    William Mcewen William Mcewen Mar 13, 2015 4:54 PM in response to William Mcewen
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    Mar 13, 2015 4:54 PM in response to William Mcewen

    Success. Finally got to read your last post. Started the G4 iMac whlle holding down the Command + F! and suddenly the Dell monitor lit up with the iMac screen. I was dubious, but it worked. Thanks a lot. Great advice.