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Mac pro 4,1 2009 every OS but the Snow Leopard takes 6gb of RAM just on boot? Yosemite unusable

I have a 2009 Mac Pro quad 2.66 ghz with original 12gb of ram(an option at time of pruchace, but I also have different modules for 6gb from another machine of the same series, problem is not related to the RAM modules). I also have multiple hard drives and tried installing everything from Lion onwards to any of those (even having a single drive in the system), and the problem presists.


The issue:

When I boot up Snow Leopard system takes around 1.5-2gb of ram and that is perfectly fine. Everything works great.

When I boot up Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks, Yosemite, the system itself takes 6gb of RAM or more just too boot. This can't be right, how would any newer Mac even work with their 4gb.

I noticed that in Activity monitor system automatically opens a ton of apps that have no use on my system like WiFi(that I don't have). Seems like it automatically boots every single app that is part of the system, it takes it like 30 minutes to load all those useless features, and system is crawling then, works ok 30 minutes in but I have half my ram wasted.


How do I stop it from doing this? Everything is fine with Snow Leopard, but I am stuck in it, and I can't purchase a lot of apps that I would if I could actually use newer software?😕

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Posted on Apr 3, 2015 10:29 AM

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Apr 3, 2015 10:53 AM in response to skoobey

If the RAM is not installed properly, it may not be registering correct at the highest speed.

And if any of the RAM is less than ideal, under the load of the processor series, it may balk.


Maximum Memory 48 GB (Quad-Core Actual) 128 GB (8-Core Actual) 16 GB (Quad-Core Apple) 32 GB (8-Core Apple)

Memory Slots 4 (Quad-Core) or 8 (8-Core) - 240-pin PC3-8500 (1066MHz) DDR3 ECC SDRAM


•Mac Pro (Mid 2012 and earlier): How to remove or install memory - Apple Support


•Intel-based Macs: Resetting the System Management Controller (SMC) - Apple Support


{according to - http://mactracker.ca - based on early 2009 Mac Pro information as follows}


Model Identifier MacPro4,1

Model Number A1289

EMC 2314

Order Number MB871LL/A (2.66 GHz), MB535LL/A (two 2.26 GHz)


Depending on the configuration of hardware based on order number & options, specs may vary.

Another item to check may be everymac.com and their ultimate lookup guide to confirm specs.

Of course the results of the suggested report may be helpful. So would Console logs and a look

into the system itself from a command-line report, such as Mr Davis suggests.


Were there any curious results from any diagnostic tests or hardware tests in the system?


Good luck & happy computing! 🙂

Apr 3, 2015 11:08 AM in response to Old Toad

Problem description:

Yosemite takes up 4.5-6gb of ram just on boot compared to the 1.5-2 gb that Snow Leopard takes on the same system


Mac pro 2009 4,1 quad.


EtreCheck version: 2.1.8 (121)

Report generated 3 Apr 2015 19:51:26 GMT+2

Download EtreCheck from http://etresoft.com/etrecheck


Click the [Click for support] links for help with non-Apple products.

Click the [Click for details] links for more information about that line.


Hardware Information: ℹ️

Mac Pro (Early 2009) (Technical Specifications)

Mac Pro - model: MacPro4,1

1 2.66 GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon CPU: 4-core

12 GB RAM Upgradeable

DIMM 1

4 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 2

4 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 3

4 GB DDR3 ECC 1066 MHz ok

DIMM 4

Empty

Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported


Video Information: ℹ️

NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 - VRAM: 512 MB

LED Cinema Display 2560 x 1440


System Software: ℹ️

OS X 10.9.5 (13F34) - Time since boot: 0:10:33


Disk Information: ℹ️

HL-DT-ST DVD-RW GH41N


OCZ-VERTEX PLUS R2 disk0 : (61,86 GB)

EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

System (disk0s2) /Volumes/System : 61.51 GB (17.77 GB free)


WDC WD15EVDS-63V9B0 disk1 : (1,5 TB)

EFI (disk1s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

15 (disk1s2) / : 1.42 TB (103.13 GB free)

Recovery HD (disk1s3) <not mounted> [Recovery]: 650 MB

Untitled (disk1s4) /Volumes/Untitled : 83.00 GB (62.76 GB free)


WDC WD6400AAKS-41H2B0 disk2 : (640,14 GB)

EFI (disk2s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

OSX (disk2s2) /Volumes/OSX : 639.79 GB (66.55 GB free)


USB Information: ℹ️

Western Digital My Book 1 TB

My Book (disk3s1) /Volumes/My Book : 1.00 TB (253.61 GB free)

Apple, Inc. Keyboard Hub

Logitech USB Receiver

Apple, Inc Apple Keyboard

WALTOP International Corp. Media Tablet

Apple Inc. Display Audio

Apple Inc. Display iSight

Apple Inc. Apple LED Cinema Display

Apple Inc. BRCM2046 Hub

Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller


Configuration files: ℹ️

/etc/sysctl.conf - Exists

/etc/hosts - Count: 29


Gatekeeper: ℹ️

Mac App Store and identified developers


Kernel Extensions: ℹ️

/System/Library/Extensions

[loaded] com.nvidia.CUDA (1.1.0)


/Volumes/OSX/Applications/Capture One.app

[not loaded] com.Leaf.driver.LeafFwXDriverMatcher (1.2.0d1)


/Volumes/System/Applications/iShowU HD.app

[not loaded] com.Cycling74.driver.Soundflower (1.3.1)


Startup Items: ℹ️

CUDA: Path: /System/Library/StartupItems/CUDA

Startup items are obsolete in OS X Yosemite


Problem System Launch Agents: ℹ️

[running] com.blackmagic-design.DaVinciResolveTangentPanelDaemon.plist [Click for support] - WHAT is this??? I installed Da Vinci resolve from the Da Vinci site, it's a free app for single core use and an industry standard, how can it be problematic?


Launch Agents: ℹ️

[not loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist [Click for support]

[loaded] com.adobe.CS5ServiceManager.plist [Click for support]

[running] com.canon.MFManager.plist [Click for support]

[loaded] com.nvidia.CUDASoftwareUpdate.plist [Click for support]

[running] com.penpad.penpadtablet.plist [Click for support]

[failed] com.waltop.waltoptablet.plist [Click for support]


Launch Daemons: ℹ️

[loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist [Click for support]

[loaded] com.adobe.SwitchBoard.plist [Click for support]

[running] com.edb.launchd.postgresql-8.4.plist [Click for support]


User Launch Agents: ℹ️

[loaded] com.adobe.AAM.Updater-1.0.plist [Click for support]

[loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist [Click for support]


User Login Items: ℹ️

iTunesHelper Application (/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunesHelper.app)

iTunesHelper Application (/Volumes/OSX/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunesHelper.app)

Activity Monitor Application (/Applications/Utilities/Activity Monitor.app)

FKeyHandlerX Application Hidden (/Applications/FKeyHandlerX.app)


Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️

Silverlight: Version: 5.1.10411.0 - SDK 10.6 [Click for support]

FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 11.9.900.170 - SDK 10.6 [Click for support]

Flash Player: Version: 11.9.900.170 - SDK 10.6 Outdated! Update

QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.7.3

JavaAppletPlugin: Version: 14.9.0 - SDK 10.7 Check version

Default Browser: Version: 537 - SDK 10.9


3rd Party Preference Panes: ℹ️

CUDA Preferences [Click for support]

Flash Player [Click for support]

Growl [Click for support]


Time Machine: ℹ️

Time Machine not configured!


Top Processes by CPU: ℹ️

5% WindowServer

1% fontd

0% mds_stores

0% Activity Monitor

0% Google Chrome


Top Processes by Memory: ℹ️

283 MB Finder

193 MB Google Chrome

168 MB mds_stores

168 MB com.apple.IconServicesAgent

52 MB WindowServer


Virtual Memory Information: ℹ️

9.50 GB Free RAM

1.65 GB Active RAM - WRONG, I ONLY WISH, it's more like:User uploaded file

834 MB Inactive RAM

892 MB Wired RAM

653 MB Page-ins

0 B Page-outs


Diagnostics Information: ℹ️

Apr 3, 2015, 07:39:26 PM Self test - passed


Basically, 5GB of my RAM is gone just because I turned my computer on, and ok this is on HHD, but even then Snow Leopard is completely functional one minute after I push the power button, Yosemite takes that long too boot, too, but then it takes it another half hour to stop spinning the hard drvie for it's unused apps and actually let me load non-system apps and files and start working.


I THINK I FIGURED IT OUT! How do I stop the system from cache-ing recent files?

Apr 3, 2015 11:56 AM in response to K Shaffer

I use another SSD as a boot drive, and change the HHDs a lot. Anyway, I find that "Recent files cache" never get's emptied, and that it bites into my RAM, I know it supposed to be cleared for actual current processes, but it never is, I tested over and over again. It holds system files of the apps I never use, like I mentioned WIFi etc, but never my recent documents or apps.


I really would like to go for a Photoshop CC, but performance is just lag-y on Yosemite even on my CS5.

Apr 3, 2015 4:14 PM in response to kahjot

More RAM would solve my problem with the system eating up 6gb of ram just to boot up, but not the actual boot up time.


What happens is because it's taking all the time to read those 6 gb and implement it into ram, the system is real sluggish for the first 10 minutes to half an hour upon a startup, now imagine restarting the computer 2 times a day, that's an hour of productivity or fun just gone out of the window.


Oh well, I guess there is no solution, I'll just stick with Snow Leopard for now.😕

Apr 3, 2015 8:03 PM in response to skoobey

What you are describing is not normal. The machine shouldn't be sluggish for 10 minutes on startup, regardless of the OS. What was installed when you generated the report above appears to be a very small SSD, and two small Western Digital drives with not much free space left on them. This could account for some of your problems.


You said that you switch HDs a lot. What is the reason for that?

Apr 3, 2015 8:51 PM in response to kahjot

It boots in 12 seconds and is ready to go on Snow Leopard.

My System and programs are on SSD, nothing else. HDDs I fill up quite easily because my PSD files are big (1-2gb a file is the average per image) + all the raw files from every shoot, and I don't delete anything, so I shelf them and replace them with new ones until those get filled up and so on. I had two HHDs in the tray because I couldn't remember what was the one I had the Yosemite on😁 and didn't want to go through the download process all over again.

Apr 3, 2015 9:02 PM in response to Lanny

It never let's other apps use that "cache" space, it keeps it unavailable to apps, and instead forces the system to go into virtual memory to give apps the RAM they need. That can't be normal, I've used the Mac book Air with 4gb of ram that runs perfectly and system only uses 1.5gb, so how come it takes Yosemite 5gb to run on a much more powerful machine.

There must be some setting I'm missing.


P.S. Yes, first I went with the Lion, and the issue started, I tried mountain Lion and the same thing was still ongoing. So I forgot about the whole deal and thought maybe now they finally managed to get this fixed in Yosemite. But no. Or maybe I just don't know how to work around this glitch.

Let's say I get more ram, I can't wait for the system to load some random files into the ram memory(and is there a limit to how much it's cache-ing?) every time I boot up. If the system took 30% of my 12 gb for this cache that I'm not using, that means it would be loading 12 gb every time I boot up once I update my ram to 32gb, so what an hour of booting up? I'm just confused.

Apr 3, 2015 9:06 PM in response to skoobey

IAW your own report, you're not using any virtual memory. Read through the report from the link I provided. You're still missing the point. Your memory pressure is low. The system uses more memory on purpose because it is designed to use your available RAM more efficiently.


User uploaded file


A quote from the explanation:


It should be noted that there are times when Memory Used will be very close to your Physical Memory value, but this does not mean your system doesn’t have enough memory. Instead that memory might be used by the File Cache, which can be quite large. As long as memory pressure is green, don’t worry if it looks like all your memory is being “used”.

Apr 3, 2015 9:17 PM in response to Lanny

Only because I have opened up nothing.😉

Example:

I open a certain file/s in Snow leopard, it's taking a lot of the memory, but I'm not using my virtual memory.

I open the same file in Yosemite, oh it's already going into virtual memory, while "cache" stays intact.

Same PS CS5, same everything, no other apps running.

I've already gotten used to having "inactive" memory build up on Snow Leopard, and it can't be purged, so I reboot once it starts taking like 40% of RAM, but Lion and above just takes that away from the start. There has got to be a way to stop this cache-ing from occurring???😕😊


This is the issue, as many have described: RAM memory filling up soon on my iMAC, after upgrading to OS X 10.9 Mavericks..

Seems like it has to do with this memory management not working right, I mean there are people with 2014 Mac Pros and 32gb complaining about sluggish systems with no apps running.

I guess I'll have to try out Lion and see if it works, but as far as I can remember that issue started with Lion, or Maybe I went straight to Mountain Lion, can't remember right now.

Mac pro 4,1 2009 every OS but the Snow Leopard takes 6gb of RAM just on boot? Yosemite unusable

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