6 Replies Latest reply: Oct 25, 2006 9:53 AM by Wally Lockyer
FJSAFTER Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
I have The Macintosh PowerBook G3 Series (M4753). Can I make an upgrade for this machine? I have 512 mb RAM.
Can I install a Mac OS 10.4?

M4753, Windows XP
  • 1. Re: The Macintosh PowerBook G3 Series (M4753),
    cornelius Level 6 Level 6 (17,825 points)
    FJSafter:

    You have what is called a Wallstreet. It will natively support Jaguar (10.2x). Many on this Forum will tell you they run Panther, and even Tiger on a Wallstreet. However, with the speed of the processor you can expect it to run very slow.

    To upgrade to Panther or Tiger your computer will need to meet the minimum system requirements: for Panter or for Tiger. Panther or Tiger will need to run with the help of a utility called XPostFacto. I am sure there will be others responding you have actually done it.

    Then you will need to purchase the Full Retail version of Panther or Tiger. Computer specific or upgrade versions should be avoided as they can cause problems. Besides, it can be a violation of the Software License Agreement which states
    This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Apple Software on a single computer at a time. This License does not allow the Apple Software to exist on more than one computer at a time...
    Tiger can be purchased from the Apple Store and Panther (or Tiger on CDs) can be purchased from applerescue.

    One more thing. You will need to be sure that you have the latest Firmware update for your computer, which has to be installed while booted from OS 9.1 or later.

    Message was edited by: cornelius
  • 2. Re: The Macintosh PowerBook G3 Series
    Niel Level 10 Level 10 (242,055 points)
    You need to use XPostFacto to install Mac OS X 10.3 or newer on your computer.

    (17010)
  • 3. Re: The Macintosh PowerBook G3 Series (M4753),
    ali brown Level 7 Level 7 (26,465 points)
    Welcome To Discussions FJSAFTER!

    Here is some additional information. But keep in mind cornelius's recommendations about your particular Mac model.

    Mac OS X Versions 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, and 10.4, are complete system upgrades that must be purchased.

    The point upgrades, such as 10.1.x to 10.1.5 (Final) 10.2.x to 10.2.8 (Final), 10.3.x to 10.3.9 (Final), and 10.4.x to 10.4.8 (Pending), can be downloaded for free.

    Tiger is available for purchase at The Apple Store (US).

    Jaguar and Panther, are no longer available directly from the Apple Online Store, as Tiger 10.4.x is the most up to date OS.

    Jaguar Full Retail CDs, a Full Retail Version, of the Panther Install CDs, or a Full Retail Version of the Tiger Install DVD, can be purchased rather inexpensively, at some online Apple retailers, Amazon, eBay, AppleRescue, etc.

    Be sure not to purchase grey, upgrade or machine specific CDs or DVDs.
    Jaguar and Panther are only on CDs, not DVDs.

    Additional info in these links.
    Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
    What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
    Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?

    Once Jaguar 10.2.x is installed, you can use the 10.2.8 Combo Update,

    or if Panther 10.3.x is installed, you can use the 10.3.9 Combo Update, to upgrade to the final version of either OS.

    If your Mac meets the System Requirements for Tiger, you could also consider installing that.
    And then use the PPC 10.4.8 Combo Update

    Jaguar System Requirements
    -Power Mac G3 or G4, iMac, eMac, PowerBook G3 or G4, or iBook computer
    -128MB of physical RAM
    -Supports all video cards shipped by Apple on Mac OS X-compatible systems. Quartz Extreme functionality is supported by the following video cards: NVIDIA GeForce2 MX, GeForce3, GeForce4 MX, or GeForce4 Ti; Any AGP-based ATI RADEON card. A minimum of 16MB VRAM is required.
    -QuickTime Pro functionality requires a QuickTime 6 Pro key. The QuickTime 5 Pro key will not work after this software is installed.
    -DVD Player requires a DVD-ROM equipped Macintosh with built-in FireWire.

    Panther System Requirements

    Tiger System Requirements

    Mac Model Compatibility & Requirements For OS X

    Additionally,

    "Tiger ships on a DVD, but if your Mac doesn’t have a built-in DVD-ROM player, you’ll need CD media. When you buy Mac OS X Tiger, you qualify to purchase Tiger CDs for only $9.95."
    Download The Order Form Here. Media Exchange Program

    Shop Carefully, Examine All Documentation, And Good Luck!

    ali b
  • 4. Re: The Macintosh PowerBook G3 Series (M4753),
    jpl Level 7 Level 7 (28,285 points)
    FJS,

    You have gotten a lot of good advice and it may be a little overwhelming. The Wallstreet is a nice machine (I have one) and it can run Tiger (I have done so) using XPostFacto. I would, however, caution you in regards to installing Panther/10.3 and Tiger/10.4; even Jaguar/10.2 can be problematic on the Wallstreet. I enjoy tinkering with software and hardware and my Wallstreet, along with many others, have had to spend a lot of time troubleshooting OSX on the Wallstreet...mainly install and startup issues.
    Please first read just a few threads of other users' experiences.

    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=647542&tstart=30

    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=596161&tstart=90

    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=565021&tstart=135

    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=560741&tstart=135

    If your Wallstreet is not your primary computer and/or a lot of potential troubleshooting does not dismay you, then by all means take a shot at it. However, if you want a reliable, Tiger-compatible powerbook, the Powerbook G3 FireWire "Pismo" M7572 is the only black G3 I could recommend. I would stay away from the iBook G3s (logic board issues). The Powerbook G4s and iBook G4s would be the best, assuming you may be interested in a used powerbook.

    Please don't let me dissuade you...I just want you to get a full picture.
  • 5. Re: The Macintosh PowerBook G3 Series (M4753),
    Shane Fox Level 1 Level 1 (140 points)
    FJAFTER,

    Just to throw in my two cents worth: I have installed Panther on 3 different Wallstreets (266, 300 and G4 500) with XPostFacto. Once I got past the various install quirks, which did not occur on every machine, 10.3.9 has run fine on all 3 machines. All 3 machines had 512 mb ram at one point, but the two remaining machines I have both have 384 mb ram and run fine.

    It has been my experience that 10.3.9 has been much snappier on all 3 machines than 10.2.8 ever was. I don't use either machine for more than e-mail, surfing the web or word processing and am very happy with the performance.
  • 6. Re: The Macintosh PowerBook G3 Series (M4753),
    Wally Lockyer Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    Roger on that.

    10.3.9 working perfect and faster than anything else did on my wallstreet 266.