mystwillow

Q: Reverting to iPhoto after Photos migration

Does anyone know if it is ok to delete the new Photos library from the Pictures folder after you've migrated your iPhoto library to Photos? This is the situation I'm in - I migrated my library to Photos but I HATE it. I am very invested in Events and being able to review each new batch of photos before categorizing them into the appropriate events, and with this new app it's like everything is in a giant shoebox, it seems to include all my Photo Stream pictures in my library before I'm ready (I typically delete a lot of dud pictures every time I import, now they are all mixed in automatically and I have to remember how far back I've gone through and culled), and there's no way to tell which pictures haven't been categorized into an event yet. Worst of all, there's no way to hide photos from all views. Not only are hidden albums/events not even a thing anymore, Photos "conveniently" makes a whole new album of all the pictures I didn't want anyone to see. So now instead of me being the only one who would know where to look for hidden photos/Events in my library when they were unhidden, they're all collected in one place at the top level of my albums view. Why anyone would want an automatic, top-level album of all photos in an entire library that were meant not to be see, I don't know. Seems to defeat the entire privacy/security purpose of the Hide feature. Not to mention, anyone can still see all hidden photos when scrolling through the Albums view.

 

Long story short, I am RUNNING back to iPhoto for as long as Apple allows it to be used. Now, I know that any changes I make to the iPhoto library won't carry over automatically to Photos. I'm fine with that as I don't intend to use Photos until I'm forced to. However, I know that at some point I will be forced to use it, and at that point its library will be (hopefully) several years out of date. Since Photos creates symbolic links to the photo files, I know I could easily have deleted the iPhoto library when I migrated to Photos, but does that work both ways? I guess my question is, can I delete the Photos library I have now, keep working with my iPhoto library until iPhoto is killed completely, and then re-import the entire library back into Photos? Or do my photo files actually now live in the Photos library package instead of the iPhoto library package and deleting the Photos library will delete all my photos?

 

Any clarification on my options would be appreciated.

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.5)

Posted on Apr 9, 2015 6:29 PM

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  • by cjonesthom,

    cjonesthom cjonesthom Jun 15, 2015 2:08 PM in response to chipsfortea
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    Jun 15, 2015 2:08 PM in response to chipsfortea

    One real problem is that even if one elects to keep using iPhoto instead of Photos, all photo files are still doubled, and taking up TONS of

    space on my memory!

     

    I just hate it when a perfectly fine program is overridden by a FORCED new program... the hours it takes to figure out all of this crap is

    just an unnecessary WASTE of time.

     

    I second that "GRRRR' and add my "ERGH!!!!!"

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Jun 15, 2015 2:17 PM in response to cjonesthom
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    Jun 15, 2015 2:17 PM in response to cjonesthom

    One real problem is that even if one elects to keep using iPhoto instead of Photos, all photo files are still doubled, and taking up TONS of

    space on my memory!

    Photos did not duplicate your iPhoto photos. It simply created hard links to the originals in the iPhoto Library. Even if the Photos Library appears to have the same size as your original iPhoto Library, your storage should not have increased much; see:  Photos saves disk space by sharing images with your iPhoto or Aperture libraries - Apple Support

  • by cjonesthom,

    cjonesthom cjonesthom Jun 15, 2015 2:43 PM in response to léonie
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    Jun 15, 2015 2:43 PM in response to léonie

    Not true léonie= my omnidisk sweep show 30.6 GB taken up by PHOTOS and 25.3 GB taken by iPhoto.

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Jun 15, 2015 2:59 PM in response to cjonesthom
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    Jun 15, 2015 2:59 PM in response to cjonesthom
    my omnidisk sweep show 30.6 GB taken up by PHOTOS and 25.3 GB taken by iPhoto.

     

    That's because that app does not understand Hard Links...

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Jun 15, 2015 3:03 PM in response to cjonesthom
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    Jun 15, 2015 3:03 PM in response to cjonesthom
    Not true léonie= my omnidisk sweep show 30.6 GB taken up by PHOTOS and 25.3 GB taken by iPhoto.

    That is the confusing part about hard links. If you create a hard link, it will be a regular file, just like the original file. All programs will report the same file size as the original file has, but both files are sharing the same disk blocks.

    Six Colors: The (hard) link between Photos and iPhoto

  • by Arielito,

    Arielito Arielito Jun 18, 2015 6:56 AM in response to mystwillow
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    Jun 18, 2015 6:56 AM in response to mystwillow

    Apple has become the Big Brother in their 1984 ad. All the software they are creating is now designed to only work with other Apple products. As a designer that works with Apple equipment I send attachments by email to mostly people that have PCs. I liked Apple's Mail app but I found that the attachments would become embedded in the emails that PC users received forcing me to switch to Microsoft Outlook 2011. That was working fine until I migrated from iPhoto to the Photos App, which doesn't allow me to share photos with Outlook 2011.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Jun 18, 2015 7:16 AM in response to Arielito
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    Jun 18, 2015 7:16 AM in response to Arielito
    I liked Apple's Mail app but I found that the attachments would become embedded in the emails that PC users received forcing me to switch to Microsoft Outlook 2011.

    Have you tried the setting in Mail "Edit > Attachments > Always send Windows-Friendly Attachments"?

    Screen Shot 2015-06-18 at 16.14.05CEST.png

    That should take care of that.

  • by Arielito,

    Arielito Arielito Jun 18, 2015 7:33 AM in response to léonie
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    Jun 18, 2015 7:33 AM in response to léonie

    Thanks for the tip, but my Mail app has always been set to that. After receiving complaints from everyone I was sending email attachments to, I finally gave up trying to get Apple Mail to do what it's supposed to. Now Photos won't share to Outlook and it seems like Apple is punishing it's own customers for having to work with people who don't use Apple products and I don't like it.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Jun 18, 2015 7:39 AM in response to Arielito
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    Jun 18, 2015 7:39 AM in response to Arielito

    When all fails compress the photos before sending them. When they are zipped, they cannot be embedded by Mail.

     

    But drag the photos you want to mail from Photos to the Desktop and attach them from there, if you want to use Outlook for mailing the photos, until Microsoft has released an update for Outlook to work with Photos.

  • by rwelti,

    rwelti rwelti Jun 19, 2015 10:42 AM in response to mystwillow
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    Jun 19, 2015 10:42 AM in response to mystwillow

    Photos is a joke and an insult.

    Worse than the Maps debacle in iOS.

    Been an Apple user since '84 "skinny Mac", and all the way since, a s/w engineer, a registered developer and a stockholder --- but this is just too much.

    Absolutely unusable.

     

    So it's Lightroom for me, reluctantly.

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Jun 19, 2015 11:10 AM in response to rwelti
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    Jun 19, 2015 11:10 AM in response to rwelti

    Do you have a technical question about Photos that the volunteers here can assist with? I do not see one


    LN

  • by Bubbagun,

    Bubbagun Bubbagun Jun 20, 2015 2:11 PM in response to mystwillow
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    Jun 20, 2015 2:11 PM in response to mystwillow

    I have an iMac with OS X 10.10.2 and iPhoto 9.6.1 installed.  I have around 30K of photos and have used the photos as stills in iMovie and Final Cut Pro videos. 


    I really like the organization management of iPhotos and after reading this thread I am really skeptical of the new photos app.  I do not use iCould even though I have an iPhone and an iPad.  I manage my photo back-ups locally. 

     

    I have several questions:

     

    If I upgrade to OS X 10.10.3 will I have the option not to install the new photo app?  Or, is the photo app embedded in the OSX 10.10.3 code and an individual user cannot make the decision to install or not install the photo app?

     

    If one cannot choose to install the photo app what approach would you recommend:

    • Upgrade to 10.10.3 and use iPhoto and do not use the photo app?  Is there a different installation process or prep work to do to ensure that this approach is sound?
    • Or should I stay with 10.10.2 until OS X 10.11 is released?

     

    Thanks for you thoughts and opinions.

     


     

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Jun 20, 2015 2:53 PM in response to Bubbagun
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    Jun 20, 2015 2:53 PM in response to Bubbagun
    If I upgrade to OS X 10.10.3 will I have the option not to install the new photo app?  Or, is the photo app embedded in the OSX 10.10.3 code and an individual user cannot make the decision to install or not install the photo app?

     

    It's part of the OS, you don't have a choice, except not to upgrade.

     

    • Upgrade to 10.10.3 and use iPhoto and do not use the photo app?  Is there a different installation process or prep work to do to ensure that this approach is sound?

     

    Upgrading the OS and just ignoring Photos is perfectly feasible. There is nothing special to do. Remember that your iPhoto icon may be removed from the dock but it's easily returned. As always, back up before any upgrade.

     

    • Or should I stay with 10.10.2 until OS X 10.11 is released?

    Why? What will that gain? Going forward, iPhoto is over. It's no longer developed. Sooner or later some version of the OS will mean that it won't run any more. (Apparently it does run on the betas of 10.11, but with some issues. However, they may (or may not) be ironed out before release.) Sooner or later you're moving to another system to manage your photos. At least now you can explore the possibilities of the new app pretty painlessly and with the possibility to revert at any time.

  • by siriusguy,

    siriusguy siriusguy Jun 23, 2015 7:55 PM in response to Chuckles84
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    Jun 23, 2015 7:55 PM in response to Chuckles84

    I accidentally clicked on the new photo icon and it launched.  I closed it and when I tried, the first time and very time since, to open iPhoto I get a black screen and the rotating circle.  It will do this for hours but I can not access my images.  How do I go back to iPhoto as my default ( and much better) program?  I

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Jun 23, 2015 10:39 PM in response to siriusguy
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    Jun 23, 2015 10:39 PM in response to siriusguy

    Option 1

    Back Up and try rebuild the library: hold down the command and option (or alt) keys while launching iPhoto. Use the resulting dialogue to rebuild. Choose to Repair Database. If that doesn't help, then try again, this time using Rebuild Database.

     

    If that fails:

     

    Option 2

    Download iPhoto Library Manager and use its rebuild function. (In early versions of Library Manager it's the File -> Rebuild command. In later versions it's under the Library menu.)

     

    This will create an entirely new library. It will then copy (or try to) your photos and all the associated metadata and versions to this new Library, and arrange it as close as it can to what you had in the damaged Library. It does this based on information it finds in the iPhoto sharing mechanism - but that means that things not shared won't be there, so no slideshows, books or calendars, for instance - but it should get all your events, albums and keywords, faces and places back.

     

    Because this process creates an entirely new library and leaves your old one untouched, it is non-destructive, and if you're not happy with the results you can simply return to your old one.  

     

    Regards

     

     

    TD

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