In the New Photos, why can't I split and merge events?

I performed and Update to my computer, and that has changed the entire user interface dynamic within the photos program. I want to be able to merge and split events at will like I used to, or at least have a similar process that does not require "open, copy, copy to, open again, erase" type processes. I dislike making copies when all I want to do is group photos together without having to make another folder and delete them from the previous...items get deleted with no intent on a system like this.

Posted on Apr 10, 2015 9:42 PM

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Posted on Sep 5, 2017 3:14 AM

They dropped it because the world changed, I suspect. iPhoto was a key element of what Apple called the Digital Hub strategy - your Mac was the centre and other devices were fed from it. Now, the Cloud is rapidly becoming the centre. Now there are many people who have devices (Phones, Tablets) who rarely use or maybe don't even own a desktop. Also the volumes of photographs taken has increased exponentially.


So, one of the consequences of the volume of photos is an increasing demand for automation. Folks want to shoot and look at their pics, but don't want to spend time organising and editing. Result: filters for editing and automatic organisation like Moments. (BTW, Apple are not alone in this. The new photo service from Google is similar.) There are still manual options - albums, keywords and so on - but the front and centre features are those automatic ones.


The Cloud becomes the centre because people want to shoot with their phones, run a few filters and show them to their friends or share them. The cloud facilitates all of that, and again, automation is the key. Volume you see. Folks don't want to spend time organising...


As phone cameras have improved - and they have - sales of point and shoot cameras are falling and dSLRs are pretty static. The dominant photo device of today is the mobile phone, and Apple make rather a lot of them, and those are the folks that Photos.app is designed to serve.


But again, not exclusively. There are features in there that will work for the people who like to import/edit/organise and so on, most of the same features that were in iPhoto. But whereas automation in iPhoto gave you events, with limited flexibility, in Photos it gives you moments with none. So, use the manual tools - like albums, keywords, smart albums etc.


If, like me, you don't feel the app is for you, then use a different app. Personally I have an ongoing love-hate relationship with Adobe's Lightroom. I shoot with a dSLR, others in my family shoot with a P&S and phones. All are managed in LR. But Photos is free and LR isn't.


Which app to use depends on that features you require in your manager. For instance, if you want to use iCloud sharing then you're pretty much stuck with Photos. But there are other ways of sharing.


Ask yourself, what are the features of iPhoto that you miss. What ones would you like. Answer those questions and you'll be well on the way to finding a replacement.

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Apr 4, 2016 5:46 PM in response to Yer_Man

How gruesome. Didn't think this program could get even worse.


What if we don't want any events or albums at all? Just all of our photos imported, and dumped into one big group, then the ability to select groups of photos, using the classic selection tools (shift-click and shift+ctrl) to delete them from the phone and/or the app after moving them into my own file system and using other, better applications to otherwise manipulate them. I don't want an editor from this app. I don't want themes, or dancing elves - just an import and file management application as this was when it started life.


Can anyone suggest a better app for my purposes? Again, import/export and file management via cable. Only.

Apr 4, 2016 10:42 PM in response to BettinaB

Larry tells you the apps to use to do this, but when dealing with photos it has the advantage of being very simple, but the disadvantage of being too simple. It cannot leverage any of the photo metadata - even basics like the Exif date and time of the shot. So, once you get past a couple of thousand shots you're going to spend a lot of time scrolling through folders of images, basically navigating by the icons.

Apr 5, 2016 8:15 AM in response to BettinaB

Media Pro 1 will do what you want. You control the folder structure and MP1 will read the metadata, let you add keywords, create catalog sets of selected photos which are akin to albums in Photos or iPhoto. You can download the demo version to test out. If you still have your iPhoto library available you can migrate it to the MP1 catalog system by following this tutorial: #4 - Converting an Photo 6(06), 7(08), 8(09) or 9(11) Library to an Media Pro Catalog System


Or, at no additional cost, use what Larry suggested but with less control of your images.

Apr 5, 2016 2:33 PM in response to bodhi_1980

Does Lightroom play well with Photos?

No. You should pick one and use it exclusively.


With the introduction of the 99¢ appExternal Editors For Photos any 3rd party image editor of our choice can be used within Photos. This user tip describes it more fully: External Editors in Photos Are Here. So if it's editing capability you're concerned about and you have a favorite 3rd party editor like Photoshop, you can use it with Photol

Apr 5, 2016 2:50 PM in response to LarryHN

LarryHN, thanks for your response.


Alas, Image Capture, which while a better import system than iPhoto (or Photos - I haven't upgraded my os to that point yet) still isn't a file manager. And if there is a way to manage content on the iPhone using finder these days, please tell me about it because I haven't seen it. Perhaps this is also something in the newer OS? I don't know. I dread the "improvements" that await - I don't want Apple making my life "simpler." I can do that. I want more capability and every possible choice and wish to make it for myself. Apple is, in my opinion, falsely making itself look all sleek and futuristic by taking reasonable choices away from users and keeping to itself capabilities that could be better provided by other applications. As for Preview, I'm not sure what you're suggesting I do with that. I'm aware of it's abilities, which are great for a quick and dirty manipulation, but prefer more capable tools for real image work.

Apr 5, 2016 3:00 PM in response to BettinaB

You can get images onto your iOS devices with iTunes from the Finder, just like you always could.


Image Capture isn't a file manager, the Finder is. IC is just an interface with cameras and scanners and offers files to the Finder or some other apps.


You have all the choices you need and want, your mistake is to think that only the obvious one is available.


Lightroom CC or local? Does Lightroom play well with Photos?


Makes no difference, both ultimately are local, just different licensing,


I am probably using Photos for more than its intended(I am a pat rack and have a few dozen gigs of it).


The number of gigs is irrelevant. We don't have an official statement from Apple but the last two Photo Managers were good for 1,000,000 items in any one library.


Do the tags/gps etc. meta data translate over to Photos in Lightroom?


There is no direct route from Photos to Lightroom, though there is one from iPhoto and Aperture. Perhaps in time someone will develop an importer. Right now yu would need to export to the Finder and then import to LR. The problem there is you would need to choose between the original and versions that contain any added material - edits, added metadata etc.

Apr 5, 2016 4:13 PM in response to BettinaB

You requested

then the ability to select groups of photos, using the classic selection tools (shift-click and shift+ctrl) to delete them from the phone and/or the app after moving them into my own file system and using other, better applications to otherwise manipulate them. I don't want an editor from this app. I don't want themes, or dancing elves - just an import and file management application as this was when it started life.

Image capture is the solution to everything but file management including deleting from the iPhone


the finder is the solution to file management


Those are the exact specific jobs each program does


Sorry I confused you by including Preview - most people want to view their photos once they have imported them and organized them and I made the incorrect assumption that you would like to view them - preview is a viewer and includes basic editing


So my revised answer is


Image Capture and the finder


You are welcome


LN

Apr 6, 2016 1:48 AM in response to LarryHN

LarryHN,


You're misunderstanding something - I know all this. I am thankful to you for pitching in and trying to help but you must not have read what I'm looking for. My frustration is that there is no direct, simple, affordable solution to the one simple freaking problem of batch-deleting selected photos only from the iPhone, at least not that I can find. I don't want to spend half a day deleting photos individually. I don't do cloud, and I am selective about what I'm willing to pay for. Apple and all these other companies just think we're here to suck money out of. I'm so sick of it. Finder does not have this capability, unless there's a setting I'm missing - the phones don't show up in finder when I plug 'em into the usb port.


Anyway, all I'm looking for is what we had and which Apple took away, which is the ability to access and directly manage files (not just photos) on my iPhones, using my Mac. It's really irritating.

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