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Q: Cannot export original file type from Photos

Trying the new Photos app. There seems to be no way to export original files out of the app. Does anyone know how to do this if I've missed this?

Posted on Apr 13, 2015 9:32 AM

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  • by Old Toad,Solvedanswer

    Old Toad Old Toad Apr 13, 2015 9:44 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
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    Apr 13, 2015 9:44 AM in response to Nathan Jones2

    Select the photo and use the File ➙ Export ➙ Unmodified Original... menu option.

     

     

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  • by Nathan Jones2,

    Nathan Jones2 Nathan Jones2 Apr 13, 2015 10:06 AM in response to Old Toad
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    Apr 13, 2015 10:06 AM in response to Old Toad

    Begging the question, why is this not just in the normal export shortcut command?

  • by Old Toad,

    Old Toad Old Toad Apr 13, 2015 11:40 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
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    Apr 13, 2015 11:40 AM in response to Nathan Jones2

    I haven't the foggiest idea.

  • by Clem,

    Clem Clem Apr 15, 2015 7:36 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
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    Apr 15, 2015 7:36 AM in response to Nathan Jones2

    fwiw, It isn't the same shortcut because they are now two different menu items. Command Shift E still takes you to export a photo with any changes you want, same as iPhoto. The original option is now in the Export menu by itself.

  • by Nathan Jones2,

    Nathan Jones2 Nathan Jones2 Apr 15, 2015 8:49 AM in response to Clem
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    Apr 15, 2015 8:49 AM in response to Clem

    Yes, thanks - as seen in the screengrab, but why have Apple obfuscated the export options? It is bog standard, mealy-mouthed and mean 'design'.

  • by Keith Barkley,

    Keith Barkley Keith Barkley Apr 15, 2015 10:01 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
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    Apr 15, 2015 10:01 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
  • by Nathan Jones2,

    Nathan Jones2 Nathan Jones2 Apr 15, 2015 10:07 AM in response to Keith Barkley
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    Apr 15, 2015 10:07 AM in response to Keith Barkley

     

     

    FYI, I've now deleted Photos. It's a scrappy app.

  • by Alley_Cat,

    Alley_Cat Alley_Cat Apr 15, 2015 10:09 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
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    Apr 15, 2015 10:09 AM in response to Nathan Jones2

    Also note, drag and drop does not export the original of either a photo or a video, for example 1080p will be converted to 720p.

  • by Keith Barkley,

    Keith Barkley Keith Barkley Apr 15, 2015 4:13 PM in response to Nathan Jones2
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    Apr 15, 2015 4:13 PM in response to Nathan Jones2

    All apps are scrappy when first released. Heck, Word is *still* scrappy.

  • by Nathan Jones2,

    Nathan Jones2 Nathan Jones2 Apr 16, 2015 1:38 AM in response to Keith Barkley
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    Apr 16, 2015 1:38 AM in response to Keith Barkley

    But the 'original' export option was left out of the export menu. This is probably deliberate, and just plain annoying. This is nothing to do with first release. A similar thing happened with iPhoto. iPhoto used to save your last export setting. After iPhoto 2 (I think), this handy feature was removed and the tedious and unhelpful changing setting from the default (which I never have, and will never use) EVERY time you want to export (after you have reopened the app). This is either: 1) A balls up that never got fixed, 2) a deliberate bit of meanness from Apple. There was much debate on this at the time.

     

    The fact is, these are MY images and files. These tools make it harder to manage and manipulate them in the way we, the end user, wants to. Apple is becoming the big brother they fought in 1984… I'm fine with closed systems, but I need my files to remain unchanged, and easy to work with. I don't want to fight the software to work with them. Adobe is to an extent also guilty of this type of app design.

     

    Despite the slick looking intro tour, I still can't work out what Photos is actually for. It can't replace iPhoto, it can't replace Aperture, you can't see basic things like file names in a useful way either. I'm pretty sure these things won't improve the 'scrappiness' of the app. It seems to be a deliberately, and a finely honed pain in the backside - forcing the user control out of their own media.


    - Which is why I'm not using it any more.

  • by Nathan Jones2,

    Nathan Jones2 Nathan Jones2 Apr 16, 2015 1:50 AM in response to Alley_Cat
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    Apr 16, 2015 1:50 AM in response to Alley_Cat

    Wow, really? Reiterating my point about (not being able to) managing one's own files. Thanks for letting us know. If anyone thinks I'm being a killjoy, I'm just pointing out counterintuitive and draconian, oppressive design pedagogics that interfere with basic function. The very things Apple fundamentally fought against.

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Apr 16, 2015 2:24 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
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    Apr 16, 2015 2:24 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
    But the 'original' export option was left out of the export menu.

     

    It's not. There is is under File -> Export. What it is, is broken out into a separate and distinct command within the Export command. There is a very solid reason for doing this, I think, and it may well be due to feedback from folks using iPhoto who thought they could not export original files from iPhoto. This makes it plain and easier.


    The fact is, these are MY images and files.


    Who on earth said otherwise?


    These tools make it harder to manage and manipulate them in the way we, the end user, wants to.

     

    Well I'm going to ignore the word 'we' there, as I know you mean to use 'I', but a: if it does, don't use the app. Like any app, if it does what you want use it, if it doesn't don't - just like cars, cookers, televisions, razors, garden tools and every other device out there. Using the app is not compulsory, it has strengths and weaknesses like every app, it's optimised towards a particular kind of user. If you're not that kind of user then you're perfectly free to use an app more to your needs.

     

    Apple is becoming the big brother they fought in 1984… I'm fine with closed systems, but I need my files to remain unchanged, and easy to work with.

     

    Well one falls down as it's not a closed system. You can export anything you put into it (with the exception of the Faces feature, I'll grant you, but that's because there is no agreed standard for that kind of data), your files remain unchanged and, well what "easy to work with" actually means is a bit vague.

     

    If you think Photos is a closed system then so are text files.

     

    Despite the slick looking intro tour, I still can't work out what Photos is actually for.

    It's optimised for the most workflow using the most popular series of cameras in the world, right now. They're made by Apple and have a phone attached. It works really well in that scenario.

     

    It can't replace iPhoto, it can't replace Aperture,

     

    It doesn't want to replace either. This apps are discontinued. It's moving in a whole new direction - tight integration and sharing across the entire ecosystem.

     

    you can't see basic things like file names in a useful way either

     

    And therein lies, I suspect, the problem. It's about Photos and Photo Metadata, not files and file metadata. As long as you confuse files with the data they contain - in other words, confuse shoe boxes with shoes - you're always going to have problems with databases.

     

    Again, you can manage your own files on your Mac, you can even manage them while using iPhoto, Photos or Aperture, but none of those apps are required. And if you don't want to use them, don't. See? That's an open system.

  • by Nathan Jones2,

    Nathan Jones2 Nathan Jones2 Apr 16, 2015 2:42 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
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    Apr 16, 2015 2:42 AM in response to Nathan Jones2

    It's not. There is is under File -> Export. What it is, is broken out into a separate and distinct command within the Export command. There is a very solid reason for doing this, I think, and it may well be due to feedback from folks using iPhoto who thought they could not export original files from iPhoto. This makes it plain and easier.


    No, it is a complete pain that there is no shortcut. It makes sense to group this with the other export options. iPhoto already had an issue whereby not saving you last (preferred) export option. Each time I export I have to manually reset to my preferred choices - unlike almost any other Mac app.


    The fact is, these are MY images and files.


    Who on earth said otherwise?


    You cannot easily export your own photos, or video as someone else has pointed out. I can't see filenames easily in this app. There is  lack of 'control' and usability. It is a forced interface - with a great many pointless idiosyncrasies.


     

    It's optimised for the most workflow using the most popular series of cameras in the world, right now. They're made by Apple and have a phone attached. It works really well in that scenario.

     


    I disagree. I am one of those people and it does not work adequately at all.


     

    And therein lies, I suspect, the problem. It's about Photos and Photo Metadata, not files and file metadata. As long as you confuse files with the data they contain - in other words, confuse shoe boxes with shoes - you're always going to have problems with databases.

     


    I have nothing confused, Photos omits showing filenames - a very useful and important part of a file. I know what a database is, I'm a photo and web professional. My points are valid, the Photos app sets a strict precedence for only working in one particular way. This is oppressive and, as has been proved by Apple and its original philosophy, wholly unnecessary. I am being forced to think about the interface, rather than get on with using my Mac as a creative tool, and my content/images being the paramount aspect. This is bad design, look it up in any UI/UX book.

  • by Terence Devlin,

    Terence Devlin Terence Devlin Apr 16, 2015 2:52 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
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    Apr 16, 2015 2:52 AM in response to Nathan Jones2
    No, it is a complete pain that there is no shortcut.

     

    Heal yourself from the terrible pain. Assign a shortcut yourself if you want one.

     

    You cannot easily export your own photos, or video as someone else has pointed out.

     

    This factually untrue. I really cannot see what is difficult about going to the File Menu and Dropping down to the export command. Exporting video is no more difficult than exporting stills. Or Originals.

     

    The rest of your post? If you're aware of what a data base is why are you obsessing about filenames and not data? Photos does not work in only one way - it may not work a way you prefer, fine, but just because you don't understand it or prefer working another way (as I do) doesn't make it invalid. Remember, you are not forced to use the app. Use one that works the way you prefer. But please be accurate in your complaints, at least for other folks who my read your posts.

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