Jerome Del Ray

Q: Your internet on life support?  Blame Photos app.

Unbelievable.

 

This morning my internet slowed down to a crawl.  Noticed that iMac, iPhone, and iPad all crawling.  So I turned on my iPhone hotspot and waited it out.  (That works sometimes.)  It didn't this time.  Reset modem, airport, and such three times.  Broadband would come, then go.

 

Then I had a theory.  Maybe it was the iMac bringing the network down, since other devices were not really being used.  Turned off iMac.  Broadband explodes to 50 Megabit and stays steady.  Turned iMac back down, internet is crawling on it's knees.

 

So I open up Activity Monitor.  Under the network tab, something called 'nsurlsessiond' is sending packets everywhere.  I Google this process and learn it's buddies with iCloud. 

 

Then it hits me.  That weird 'pause for a day' button in Photos preferences.  I mean why not STOP AND START?  I'm like, "Did this thing turn on by itself?"  Opened up preferences, and yup -- Photos is trying to sneak upload what is still THOUSANDS of photos.

 

The problem here is that this isn't in the spirit of 'doing something in the background'.  Because it decimates what a user is doing in foreground.  This would be like if 'repair disk permissions' happened in the background... with no warning... for hours on end.

 

Again, unbelievable.  Hope this helps someone.

Posted on Apr 13, 2015 3:16 PM

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  • by micromagic,

    micromagic micromagic Apr 15, 2015 3:33 AM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Apr 15, 2015 3:33 AM in response to Winston Churchill

    This

    Winston Churchill wrote:

     

    If you are going to be silly enough to try and tell us that you don't know what loading so many items means just because it doesn't have a progress bar, then you are really wasting our time.  And also remember this wasn't what the post claimed to begin with, it was that photos is to blame for everybody's network coming to a standstill, which just is not the case,  This nonsense about a user not being told that there is some uploading/downloading going on has been raised as a Distraction.

    This guy doesn't really understand the problem so I don't know why he's bothering to post in this thread, maybe just to up his post count?!

     

    Anyway, from what I have been observing, the uploading items indicator never seems to change by single digits. It either jumps by 20 or 30 or nothing at all. It's as if it's clumping large chunks of data together to upload, trying to upload but then runs into trouble and has to restart the process of uploading that chunk of data again. All this is guess work because the program simply does not provide the user with much information (getting back to the OP).

     

    I've come to expect my ADSL connection slumping when performing a backup of any of my 'i' devices, that's just par for the course, however, there is obviously some problem with photos which keeps that connection limited for far longer than it ought to. It's early days for 'Photos', so I'm sure Apple will address this with future updates. I just knarks me I'm paying the additional monthly fee for 200GB iCloud capacity whilst Apple sort it.

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Apr 15, 2015 4:47 AM in response to micromagic
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    Apr 15, 2015 4:47 AM in response to micromagic

    What I understand is that the problem as reported doesn't exist.

     

    Any use of internet will slow down other services, it's like the sun coming up in the morning, it's something everyone should expect.

     

    However, the OP claims that Photos slows the internet to a standstill (perhaps part of the problem here is this is an exaggeration of a lesser slowdown, but I have to take the OP at their word and assume they mean standstill), my point is that this isn't correct, I'm not saying the internet doesn't come to a standstill for this person and even a handful of others, what I am saying is it isn't Photos per se that does this but specific elements of their set up in conjunction with their use of Photos, since it clearly doesn't happen for most people. Indeed last night we were watching 2 simultaneous downloads on two Apple TV's whilst my Photos app was updating several thousand images all over a 16/1 Mbps connection.

     

    What you and most others here seem to be missing about understanding the difference, is that if it was just an issue with Photos then all you could do sit around and wait for Apple to fix it, but it isn't, so you need to start looking at your system to see why it's happening for you and not others. Do you not see why I am striving to point out the difference.

     

    The issue about notification is just a distraction, you are told there is an update going on at the bottom of the window, everyone understands what this means it's absurd to claim that it's not clear or that people don't understand it because it's not got a progress bar.

    Anyway, from what I have been observing, the uploading items indicator never seems to change by single digits. It either jumps by 20 or 30 or nothing at all. It's as if it's clumping large chunks of data together to upload,

    That is indeed what happens, so clearly you do understand what it is telling you.

    I've come to expect my ADSL connection slumping when performing a backup of any of my 'i' devices, that's just par for the course, however, there is obviously some problem with photos which keeps that connection limited for far longer than it ought to.

    Why is there obviously a problem, why do you expect it to stop the connection when it still hasn't finished its update, do you expect your back up to stop its connection before it's finished backing up.

  • by micromagic,

    micromagic micromagic Apr 15, 2015 4:59 AM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Apr 15, 2015 4:59 AM in response to Winston Churchill

    You still don't understand, but it's probably because you are trying to stand your ground rather then admit there could be a problem. You don't have a problem with it, great, good for you. That doesn't mean a problem doesn't exist with photos uploading. Have you not seen all the other threads?

     

    To state again, it's not operating as a normal upload operation usually would. It stalls for long periods of time (hours), sending huge quantities of data but not uploading a single thing. I would guess it's failing at 9/10 upload attempts. But it's a guess because we don't know as there's little to inform the user of what is going on. Information is king especially when trying to fault find.

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Apr 15, 2015 5:04 AM in response to micromagic
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    Apr 15, 2015 5:04 AM in response to micromagic
    It stalls for long periods of time (hours),

    Yes, we know it does this and the likely reason is server load, but this is not the complaint made by the OP, they said their network came to a standstill and it was Photos fault. You are discussing an entirely different issue to the OP, which will only mislead others who are hoping to get help. It's very important that a thread stays on topic, indeed it's part of the rules you agreed to when you signed up to use these forums.

  • by Mr. Apple101,

    Mr. Apple101 Mr. Apple101 Apr 15, 2015 5:36 AM in response to Mr. Apple101
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    Apr 15, 2015 5:36 AM in response to Mr. Apple101

    It was just added yesterday evening. I didn't see it until after I left work.

  • by micromagic,

    micromagic micromagic Apr 15, 2015 5:39 AM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Apr 15, 2015 5:39 AM in response to Winston Churchill

    the likely reason is server load

     

    'Likely', you said it yourself, you don't know and you're not being helpful at all, why post?

     

    You are discussing an entirely different issue to the OP

     

    I'm discussing exactly the point the OP was making. Photos is killing some people's bandwidth and is not providing sufficient information as to what is going on. How could I be more on-topic?!!! Stop trying to derail the thread with every post. In any case the thread is marked as solved so I suggest you go and try disrupt some other thread.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 15, 2015 6:30 AM in response to micromagic
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    Apr 15, 2015 6:30 AM in response to micromagic

    micromagic wrote:

     

    the likely reason is server load

     

    'Likely', you said it yourself, you don't know and you're not being helpful at all, why post?

     

    You are discussing an entirely different issue to the OP

     

    I'm discussing exactly the point the OP was making. Photos is killing some people's bandwidth and is not providing sufficient information as to what is going on.

    It's not killing it, it's using it to upload your photographs.

     

    Get a better connection, be more patient or don't try to store large libraries on the web with an inadequate connection, pick one.

  • by Winston Churchill,

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Apr 15, 2015 6:40 AM in response to micromagic
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    Apr 15, 2015 6:40 AM in response to micromagic

    Anyone who is interested in doing anything more than argue, now has enough information from me to make an informed decision about the cause and possible source for a solution to the problem that the OP actually posted about. You are clearly not in this group and I'd prefer to assist people who are interested in receiving help now thank you, good day.

  • by micromagic,

    micromagic micromagic Apr 15, 2015 6:57 AM in response to Csound1
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    Apr 15, 2015 6:57 AM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    micromagic wrote:

     

    the likely reason is server load

     

    'Likely', you said it yourself, you don't know and you're not being helpful at all, why post?

     

    You are discussing an entirely different issue to the OP

     

    I'm discussing exactly the point the OP was making. Photos is killing some people's bandwidth and is not providing sufficient information as to what is going on.

    It's not killing it, it's using it to upload your photographs.

     

    Get a better connection, be more patient or don't try to store large libraries on the web with an inadequate connection, pick one.

    Get a better connection, that's your advice?! Wow, you really are an Apple guru, thanks for that. No of course there's nothing wrong with Photos or Apple's iCloud coding, how stupid of me to even think that.

     

    BTW the way, I've tried Photos on 3 different ISP's and encountered the same problems. It's trying and failing (most of the time) to upload photo's. Can you understand this concept?

     

    (Sorry people, I can't stop feeding the trolls, I'm just generous that way).

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 15, 2015 7:01 AM in response to micromagic
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    Apr 15, 2015 7:01 AM in response to micromagic

    Get a better connection, that's your advice

    I gave you 3 alternate choices, take one, take none, I actually don't care about your problems and have had it with your attitude

     

    Toodlepip

  • by micromagic,

    micromagic micromagic Apr 15, 2015 7:02 AM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Apr 15, 2015 7:02 AM in response to Winston Churchill

    Winston Churchill wrote:

     

    Anyone who is interested in doing anything more than argue, now has enough information from me to make an informed decision about the cause and possible source for a solution to the problem that the OP actually posted about. You are clearly not in this group and I'd prefer to assist people who are interested in receiving help now thank you, good day.

    Are you and Csound1 the same person?! 'Assist people', this is cracking me up. Your assisting consists of basically saying either

     

    a) your completely disillusional, the problem exists in your head, seek medical assistance or

    b) you do not understand the concept of uploading so must be completely stupid.

     

    (OK I really must stop this troll feeding now).

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 15, 2015 7:04 AM in response to micromagic
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    Apr 15, 2015 7:04 AM in response to micromagic

    I'll go for option 2. but option 1 is to be considered.

  • by micromagic,

    micromagic micromagic Apr 15, 2015 7:04 AM in response to Csound1
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    Apr 15, 2015 7:04 AM in response to Csound1

    Csound1 wrote:

     

    Get a better connection, that's your advice

    I gave you 3 alternate choices, take one, take none, I actually don't care about your problems and have had it with your attitude

     

    Toodlepip

    Thanks for nothing. Take care now.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Apr 15, 2015 7:10 AM in response to micromagic
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    Apr 15, 2015 7:10 AM in response to micromagic

    Thanks for your concern.

  • by Jerome Del Ray,

    Jerome Del Ray Jerome Del Ray Apr 15, 2015 10:48 AM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Apr 15, 2015 10:48 AM in response to Winston Churchill

    Winston Churchill said, "If you are going to be silly enough to try and tell us -- "

     

    I'm not trying to tell anyone anything.  I've already succeeded in getting my accurate warning across to many people at this point.  The many people you claimed couldn't exist.  And still don't.  Talk about being silly...

     

    " -- that you don't know what loading so many items means just because it doesn't have a progress bar."

     

    Because your sad position no longer holds relevance in this discussion, you are trying to distort my point it in a childish attempt to regain your composure.  Of course the issue isn't that users need a progress bar to understand a giant upload is in progress.  The issue is that Apple has an automatic upload process which doesn't remind you when it has turned itself back on -- potentially jamming up your net for hours on end.

     

    "And also remember this wasn't what the post claimed to begin with -- "

     

    Still distorting.  My original post vents frustration that the uploading process has resumed with no warning -- creating the illusion that my network is on life support.  Exactly on topic.  In my second post (third in the thread) these exact words --

     

    "Fact 4:  As a background process, it doesn't warn you when it's resumes uploading."


    You're not fooling anyone with your nonsense.

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