Alley_Cat
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Q: Beware drag and drop of video to folders or desktop

It did not seem to be working despite others saying it did.

 

I tried with several files, one appeared after several attempts, then others several minutes later.

 

It dawned on me was it exporting with a conversion applied not actually copying the original?

 

Yes it was - Canon video clip from 5D II within Photos.

 

Screen Shot 2015-04-15 at 12.48.41.png

 

The 'copy' dragged to the home folder:

 

Screen Shot 2015-04-15 at 12.49.11.png

Timestamp changed, reduced resolution and type file.m4v.

Apple TV, Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Apr 15, 2015 4:56 AM

by Winston Churchill,Solvedanswer
Winston Churchill Winston Churchill
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Alley_Cat wrote:

I think it makes sense not to allow users to Show in Finder by default, but an 'advanced' option to enable it would be handy - now you just have to open the package manually and poke around!

There is the option to export an unmodified version, I'm not sure anyone has any need to access the masters anymore.

I just exported using Small size via the menus - tried a drag and drop thinking it might retain previous export size, but got the recompressed full res image.

I haven't got around to testing this yet, but dragging and exporting produced 2 different results in iPhoto regardless of the settings..

 

On the whole though the main purpose of dragging is to use just the photo in another app (or it is 98% of the time for me), so regardless of the metadata or whatever the process loses it probably doesn't matter. For all other purposes it gives me a full set of export options. Dragging a movie is a little different to a photo I feel, I think I'd want to see my export options, but if I did just drag, I believe alt - drag gives you an unmodified version.

Posted on Apr 15, 2015 6:31 AM

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Q: Beware drag and drop of video to folders or desktop

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  • by Alley_Cat,

    Alley_Cat Alley_Cat Apr 15, 2015 5:00 AM in response to Alley_Cat
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    Apr 15, 2015 5:00 AM in response to Alley_Cat

    Affects iPhone video too:

     

    Screen Shot 2015-04-15 at 12.57.39.png

     

    Screen Shot 2015-04-15 at 12.58.01.png

     

    Gee, thanks for re-encoding the file when I didn't want you to!

     

    Users could easily end up archiving a lower res poorer quality version if they didn't notice the change in file size or extension.

  • by Winston Churchill,Helpful

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Apr 15, 2015 5:23 AM in response to Alley_Cat
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    Apr 15, 2015 5:23 AM in response to Alley_Cat

    I'd be careful dragging anything out of Photos including photos, I haven't checked photos in Photos yet, but dragging from iPhoto caused changes too.

  • by Alley_Cat,

    Alley_Cat Alley_Cat Apr 15, 2015 5:23 AM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Apr 15, 2015 5:23 AM in response to Winston Churchill

    Winston Churchill wrote:

     

    I'd be careful dragging anything out of Photos including photos, I haven't checked photos in Photos yet, but dragging from iPhoto caused changes too.

    That perhaps does not surprise me, but I never used drag and drop with iPhoto as I could show the original file in the Finder and would copy from there.

     

    I think it makes sense not to allow users to Show in Finder by default, but an 'advanced' option to enable it would be handy - now you just have to open the package manually and poke around!

  • by Alley_Cat,

    Alley_Cat Alley_Cat Apr 15, 2015 5:27 AM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Apr 15, 2015 5:27 AM in response to Winston Churchill

    Winston Churchill wrote:

     

    I'd be careful dragging anything out of Photos including photos, I haven't checked photos in Photos yet, but dragging from iPhoto caused changes too.

    iPhone 6 image - recompressed, smaller file size but same resolution:

     

    Screen Shot 2015-04-15 at 13.26.07.png

    Screen Shot 2015-04-15 at 13.25.49.png

  • by Alley_Cat,

    Alley_Cat Alley_Cat Apr 15, 2015 5:39 AM in response to Alley_Cat
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    Apr 15, 2015 5:39 AM in response to Alley_Cat

    Same for non-iPhone images - resolution seems preserved, but re-compressed:

     

    Screen Shot 2015-04-15 at 13.28.53.png

    Screen Shot 2015-04-15 at 13.29.52.png

    I suppose it's possible this might use a default export option initially - if it would remember the 'last used' (or a default) export setting it might help, though wiser to use Export Unmodified Original.

     

    Exporting the image using JPEG Maximum it gets larger - shame this can't be set to Original, it would save a separate export menu entry.

     

    Screen Shot 2015-04-15 at 13.36.07.png

     

    I just exported using Small size via the menus - tried a drag and drop thinking it might retain previous export size, but got the recompressed full res image.

     

    If it actually remembered last Export settings it might be handy.

  • by Winston Churchill,Solvedanswer

    Winston Churchill Winston Churchill Apr 15, 2015 6:31 AM in response to Alley_Cat
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    Apr 15, 2015 6:31 AM in response to Alley_Cat

    Alley_Cat wrote:

    I think it makes sense not to allow users to Show in Finder by default, but an 'advanced' option to enable it would be handy - now you just have to open the package manually and poke around!

    There is the option to export an unmodified version, I'm not sure anyone has any need to access the masters anymore.

    I just exported using Small size via the menus - tried a drag and drop thinking it might retain previous export size, but got the recompressed full res image.

    I haven't got around to testing this yet, but dragging and exporting produced 2 different results in iPhoto regardless of the settings..

     

    On the whole though the main purpose of dragging is to use just the photo in another app (or it is 98% of the time for me), so regardless of the metadata or whatever the process loses it probably doesn't matter. For all other purposes it gives me a full set of export options. Dragging a movie is a little different to a photo I feel, I think I'd want to see my export options, but if I did just drag, I believe alt - drag gives you an unmodified version.

  • by Alley_Cat,

    Alley_Cat Alley_Cat Apr 15, 2015 3:05 PM in response to Winston Churchill
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    Apr 15, 2015 3:05 PM in response to Winston Churchill

    Winston Churchill wrote:

     

    Alley_Cat wrote:

    I think it makes sense not to allow users to Show in Finder by default, but an 'advanced' option to enable it would be handy - now you just have to open the package manually and poke around!

    There is the option to export an unmodified version, I'm not sure anyone has any need to access the masters anymore.

    I just exported using Small size via the menus - tried a drag and drop thinking it might retain previous export size, but got the recompressed full res image.

    I haven't got around to testing this yet, but dragging and exporting produced 2 different results in iPhoto regardless of the settings..

     

    On the whole though the main purpose of dragging is to use just the photo in another app (or it is 98% of the time for me), so regardless of the metadata or whatever the process loses it probably doesn't matter. For all other purposes it gives me a full set of export options. Dragging a movie is a little different to a photo I feel, I think I'd want to see my export options, but if I did just drag, I believe alt - drag gives you an unmodified version.

    Brilliant!

     

    I think the alt-drag gives the original for both photos and videos!

  • by Old Toad,

    Old Toad Old Toad Apr 15, 2015 4:20 PM in response to Alley_Cat
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    Apr 15, 2015 4:20 PM in response to Alley_Cat
    I think the alt-drag gives the original for both photos and videos!

    I've tried it on both videos and photos and can confirm that you get the originals with an Control/Alt - drag.

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  • by jakehawkes42,

    jakehawkes42 jakehawkes42 Oct 21, 2015 3:04 PM in response to Old Toad
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    Oct 21, 2015 3:04 PM in response to Old Toad

    AAARGGGHHH!!!!!!

     

    Why would this down-sampling be not obvious! I've just spent the day catching up on cleaning out my Photos, and I've been dragging and dropping files, and then deleting them, only to find out now that I've lost the highest resolution possible.

     

    This ***** b*lls.

     

    There should have been something warning me that Apple has decided the change the meaning of drag and drop. Because, you know, everywhere else in the entire universe, dragging a file means moving it. Not taking a down-sampled version.

     

    So instead, we have to go through the export menu system? Really? Should I go back to an Automator script to just dump Photos to disk so I can trust it!

     

    DIS-FREAKING-LIKE!!!