Ted Hopkins

Q: Why has Dictation stopped working?

I have been very pleased with the improvement to Dictation in its enhanced mode, including provision for spoken commands in place of Speakable Items.  Just as I have got fully familiar with the feature, Dictation has stopped working.  When I call upon Dictation, the microphone icon shows as usual and, when I speak a command or text I want to dictate, the recognition bar in the microphone juggles up and down but nothing happens.  The command is not obeyed or the text does not get typed.  Oddly, if I go to System Preferences and turn off Dictation enhancement, I can dictate text and that text will get typed.  Why has enhanced Dictation stopped working?

iMac (27-inch Mid 2010), OS X Yosemite (10.10.3), null

Posted on Apr 19, 2015 1:54 PM

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  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Apr 21, 2015 2:55 PM in response to Ted Hopkins
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    Apr 21, 2015 2:55 PM in response to Ted Hopkins

    You haven't removed Kaspersky.

  • by Ted Hopkins,

    Ted Hopkins Ted Hopkins Apr 21, 2015 3:04 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Apr 21, 2015 3:04 PM in response to Linc Davis

    And here is the result of running the test on my Admin account, http://pastebin.com/d49FTnWC.  While the test ran I dictated into a TextEdit document again, with success having my dictation typed and a spoken command obeyed.  Since I normally do not keep or work on documents in my Admin account, I also had to activate Dictation in my System Preferences during the test.

     

    Thanks,

    Ted.

  • by Ted Hopkins,

    Ted Hopkins Ted Hopkins Apr 21, 2015 3:07 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Apr 21, 2015 3:07 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Huh?  I ran the Kaspersky uninstaller yesterday.  I'll run it again.

  • by Ted Hopkins,

    Ted Hopkins Ted Hopkins Apr 21, 2015 3:20 PM in response to Ted Hopkins
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    Apr 21, 2015 3:20 PM in response to Ted Hopkins

    The uninstaller could not find anything of Kaspersky to remove.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Apr 21, 2015 3:39 PM in response to Ted Hopkins
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    Apr 21, 2015 3:39 PM in response to Ted Hopkins

    The uninstaller could not find anything of Kaspersky to remove.

    Then, like Kaspersky itself, it's useless.

    Back up all data before proceeding.

    Triple-click anywhere in the line below on this page to select it:

    /Library/Extensions

    Right-click or control-click the highlighted line and select

              Services Open

    from the contextual menu.* A folder should open. Inside are items named "klif.kext" and "klnke.kext". Move them to the Trash. You may be prompted for your administrator login password. Restart the computer and empty the Trash.

    *If you don't see the contextual menu item, copy the selected text to the Clipboard by pressing the key combination command-C. In the Finder, select

              Go Go to Folder...

    from the menu bar and paste into the box that opens by pressing command-V. You won't see what you pasted because a line break is included. Press return.

  • by Ted Hopkins,

    Ted Hopkins Ted Hopkins Apr 21, 2015 5:05 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Apr 21, 2015 5:05 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Done, thanks Linc.

    Ted.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Apr 21, 2015 5:28 PM in response to Ted Hopkins
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    Apr 21, 2015 5:28 PM in response to Ted Hopkins

    And is Dictation working?

  • by Ted Hopkins,

    Ted Hopkins Ted Hopkins Apr 21, 2015 6:30 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Apr 21, 2015 6:30 PM in response to Linc Davis

    No Linc,

     

    Still not working.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Apr 21, 2015 7:31 PM in response to Ted Hopkins
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    Apr 21, 2015 7:31 PM in response to Ted Hopkins

    Please repeat the test you ran earlier and post the output. I'd like to see what has changed.

  • by Ted Hopkins,

    Ted Hopkins Ted Hopkins Apr 21, 2015 8:32 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Apr 21, 2015 8:32 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Hi Linc,

    The rerun on my user account is at http://pastebin.com/iM2ERVqN and the rerun on my Admin account is at http://pastebin.com/TyzYdGQP.

    Thanks,

    Ted.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Apr 22, 2015 7:11 AM in response to Ted Hopkins
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    Apr 22, 2015 7:11 AM in response to Ted Hopkins

    A

    Some of your user files (not system files) have incorrect permissions. This procedure will reset their ownership, permissions, and access controls to the default. If you've intentionally set special values for those attributes, they will be reverted. In that case, either stop here, or be prepared to recreate the settings if necessary. Do so only after verifying that those settings didn't cause the problem. If none of this is meaningful to you, you don't need to worry about it, but you do need to follow the instructions below.

    Back up all data before proceeding.

    Start up in Recovery mode. When the OS X Utilities screen appears, select

              Utilities Terminal

    from the menu bar. A Terminal window will open. In that window, type this:

    resetp

    Press the tab key. The partial command you typed will automatically be completed to this:

    resetpassword

    Press return. A Reset Password window will open. You’re not going to reset a password.

    Select your startup volume ("Macintosh HD," unless you gave it a different name) if not already selected.

    Select your username from the menu labeled Select the user account if not already selected.

    Under Reset Home Directory Permissions and ACLs, click the Reset button.

    Select

               Restart

    from the menu bar.

    B

    Back up all data.

    Run the following command in the same way as before. It moves to the Trash "semaphore" files that have not been cleaned up by the system and may be interfering with normal operation. The files are empty; they contain no data. There will be no output this time.

    find L*/{Con*/*/Data/L*/,}Pref* -type f -size 0c -name *.plist.??????? -exec mv {} .Trash/ \; 2>&-

    Log out or restart the computer and empty the Trash.

    C

    Get rid of the "memory management" apps in your login items. Such software is at best useless. The same is true of "TechTool."

  • by Ted Hopkins,

    Ted Hopkins Ted Hopkins Apr 23, 2015 1:01 AM in response to Linc Davis
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    Apr 23, 2015 1:01 AM in response to Linc Davis

    Thanks Linc,

     

    In Recovery mode, Utilities did not include Terminal as an option.  It did give Disk Utility and I used that to reset Directory Permissions and ACLs.  I also trashed those "semaphore" files and the memory management apps.  I am not so sure about TechTool Pro as I have been using it since version 3 and have found it useful.  I know it duplicates much of Disk Utility's functionality but a few of its unique features have served me in the past.  What is there about TechTool that you are wary of?  In addition, I looked for and trashed faulty files.

     

    After doing those, emptying my trash, and restarting, I tried using Dictation again with still the same non-result.  Should I give you the test again?

     

    Ted.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Apr 23, 2015 5:29 AM in response to Ted Hopkins
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    Apr 23, 2015 5:29 AM in response to Ted Hopkins

    In Recovery mode, Utilities did not include Terminal as an option.

    It's in the Utilities menu in the menu bar, as I wrote eariler.

    I used that to reset Directory Permissions and ACLs.

    Doing that would have no effect, which is why I didn't suggest it.

  • by Ted Hopkins,

    Ted Hopkins Ted Hopkins Apr 23, 2015 9:46 AM in response to Linc Davis
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    Apr 23, 2015 9:46 AM in response to Linc Davis

    Oops, since I could no longer see your message in Recovery mode, I forgot you said Terminal would be under Utilities in the menu bar and just looked in the Utilities window for Terminal.  Last night I went back into Recovery mode and saw that Terminal is under Utilities on the menu bar.  I set that reset running just before I went to bed then restarted this morning.  I tried to dictate this comment now, but still no typing, in spite of the Dictation microphone jiggling up and down, so I am typing it in by hand.

     

    Ted.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Apr 23, 2015 11:08 AM in response to Ted Hopkins
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    Apr 23, 2015 11:08 AM in response to Ted Hopkins

    This story is not making sense, and when that happens, I've found that the underlying cause is often bad sectors on the startup drive. Sometimes such a problem can be solved, at least temporarily, by erasing the startup volume and restoring from a backup.

    Back up all data to at least two different storage devices, if you haven't already done so. One backup is not enough to be safe. The backups can be made with Time Machine or with Disk Utility. Preferably both.

    Erase and install OS X. This operation will destroy all data on the startup volume, so you had be better be sure of the backups. If you upgraded from an older version of OS X, you'll need the Apple ID and password that you used, so make a note of those before you begin.

    When you restart, you'll be prompted to go through the initial setup process in Setup Assistant. That’s when you transfer the data from a backup.

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