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Q: Deleting photos in Photos on my Mac and dragging them to external HD

Since I upgraded to Yosemite, I am stuck with Photos, about which I have spent too many hours reading and trying to learn how to delete individual pictures, individual albums to free up space on my HD.  I do not want to use iCloud library and read that I can still use iPhoto.  After spending a lot of time deleting pictures from iPhoto, I see that they are still in Photos.  What a mess!  Also, I am unable to drag any photos from Photos onto an external hard drive, or export them to my desktop.  I really need help.  This is the worst upgrade I have ever had to deal with.  My main reason for buying my macbook pro was to deal with the thousands of pictures I take.

Posted on Apr 29, 2015 8:26 PM

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Q: Deleting photos in Photos on my Mac and dragging them to external HD

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  • by Rysz,

    Rysz Rysz Apr 29, 2015 8:34 PM in response to caelig
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    Apr 29, 2015 8:34 PM in response to caelig

    Photos, Aperture and iPhoto do not duplicate images on your drive, just use hard links to point to the same files. That's why when you delete from one application, the files remain on the drive, because the other app library still uses them.

     

    Bottom line, if you don't want to use Photos, go back to iPhoto. Libraries, by default, are located in your User > Pictures folder. Delete the Photos Library file. Although I would first copy it to an external drive "just in case."

  • by Allan Eckert,

    Allan Eckert Allan Eckert Apr 29, 2015 8:37 PM in response to caelig
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    Apr 29, 2015 8:37 PM in response to caelig

    What version of iPhoto is installed on your Mac?

     

    You need to be upgraded to iPhotos 9.6.1 in order for it to work on 10.10.3 of Yosemite.

  • by caelig,

    caelig caelig Apr 29, 2015 8:57 PM in response to Allan Eckert
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    Apr 29, 2015 8:57 PM in response to Allan Eckert

    I have version 9.6.1 and the pictures do show up in their usual events.  It is just that they are still in Photos after I deleted them from the events in iPhoto.  Actually, some I deleted and some I dragged onto my external hard drive

  • by Rysz,

    Rysz Rysz Apr 29, 2015 9:02 PM in response to caelig
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    Apr 29, 2015 9:02 PM in response to caelig

    Deleting images from Events in iPhoto, does not delete them from even iPhoto, much less from Photos.

  • by caelig,

    caelig caelig Apr 29, 2015 9:22 PM in response to Rysz
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    Apr 29, 2015 9:22 PM in response to Rysz

    Thanks for all your help.  I had not know a lot of what you said.  Should they all get deleted after I empty the trash? 

     

    Also, Only two of my four iPhoto libraries  show up in new photo libraries.  When I went to open each of those iPhoto libraries, I was told I could not open the library until it was transformed in a new photo library.  I did not get that same message when I opened the other two libraries and do not see in finder,  the new Photo library for each of those as I do for the first two.  Also, those same events and pictures do not show up in the other two new libraries, so they weren't merged with the others.

     

    Finally, any thoughts on dragging photos to a hard drive from the new Photos program?  I have tried everything and nothing works....can't even export the photos to my desktop.

  • by markwmsn,Apple recommended

    markwmsn markwmsn Apr 30, 2015 7:22 AM in response to caelig
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    Apr 30, 2015 7:22 AM in response to caelig

    That's quite a knot of interrelated problems you have there. Let's try to deal with some of your annoyances in Photos first.

     

    caelig wrote:

     

    Also, I am unable to drag any photos from Photos onto an external hard drive, or export them to my desktop.


    You mention trying to drag items from Photos to an external drive. You should try exporting them to the external drive instead. Once they are there, you can delete the copy that Photos is holding.

     

    You also mention being unable to export from Photos to the desktop. That should work. What happens when you try? Visual error indication? (What indication?) Error message? (What message?) Error tone? (What sort of tone?) Something else? (What?)

     

    After spending a lot of time deleting pictures from iPhoto, I see that they are still in Photos.

     

    If you want to continue using iPhoto, why are you trying to delete photos from its library? Are they bad photos that you never want to use again, do you just take a lot more pictures than you want to keep, are you trying to save space, or is there some other reason?

     

    When you first launched the new Photos application, it created a new Photos library with the contents of the iPhotos library (the main one if you had more than one, or the one you indicated at the time). Photos uses some *nix magic called "hard links" to avoid using double the disk space; this amounts to having the one file seem to be in two places. One side effect of this is that deleting the file from one of these places does not delete it from the other.

     

    The theory is that you'll leave the iPhoto library in place until you get comfortable with Photos, then eventually remove it. In the interim, iPhoto won't interfere with Photo's functioning, nor will Photos change iPhoto's library.

     

    If you are committed to going back to iPhoto, here's a sketch of a plan:

    1. Take a backup of your entire disk drive (or at least your user data) to be safe.

    2. If there are any photos in Photos that you don't have anywhere else, export them somewhere (that external drive, the desktop, wherever).

    3. Delete the new Photos library and empty the trash. This will destroy one of the links to each of the bi-located files, leaving only the iPhoto link; any file previously deleted from iPhoto will now be gone (but you exported a copy elsewhere in step 2).

    4. If you exported any photos in step 2, import them into iPhoto.

    5. Drag Photos out of the Dock far enough to remove it.

    6. Drag iPhoto into the Dock.

    Note that I'm assuming you haven't been using iCloud Photo Library. There are probably more steps if you have. Maybe somebody who has been through it will drop by with more suggestions.

     

    The path to using only Photos is similar (swapping "Photos" and "iPhoto"), except you don't need steps 5 and 6.

  • by caelig,

    caelig caelig Apr 30, 2015 7:49 AM in response to markwmsn
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    Apr 30, 2015 7:49 AM in response to markwmsn

    Wow!  I can't  thank you enough!!!!  Your explanation is so clear and specific.  Brilliant! 

     

    The reason I want to delete a lot of pictures is I took thousands on a recent trip and many are junk.  Those I want to delete.  I am trying to drag pictures to a hard drive because I need space on my Macbook HD.  I don't want to use the new Photos because I do not want to use the iCloud to store photos,  too expensive for the amount I have.  I do like to share a photo occasionally, however.  In the past I have had trouble sending pictures in the original or largest format.  Friends would often ask me to try to resend them in a different format so they could print them.  I tried, usually without success.

     

    This morning I was able to export pictures from photos to my external HD.  When I deleted the contents of an event, the pictures went away, but the event stayed there without pictures.  I am wondering why.  I am also wondering why two of my four iPhoto libraries needed to be changed for new Photo libraries, but two did not.  Therefore, I do not have Photo libraries for all my pictures.

     

    From what you said, I think I would like to continue deleting and working with my photos in iPhoto.  Then, when I have them the way I want (after deleting and exporting thousands), I would like to convert to the new format, since I realize iPhoto is on its way out.  If I go this route, I should probably delete the new Photo libraries, since I have read that changes I make in iPhoto are not recognized in the new Photos libraries.

     

    What are your thoughts?

    Thanks, again, for your very helpful post.

  • by LarryHN,Apple recommended

    LarryHN LarryHN Apr 30, 2015 9:55 AM in response to caelig
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    Apr 30, 2015 9:55 AM in response to caelig

    You are jumping all over the place

     

    1 - using Photos does NOT require that your photos be in iCloud - you can store them locally just like iPhoto or on iCloud - your choice - iCloud storage is an additional option you do not have with iPhoto, not a requirement

     

    2 - if your use both Photos and iPhoto they have separate libraries (using the same photos it turns out so they do not duplicate space - Photos saves disk space by sharing images with your iPhoto or Aperture libraries - Apple Support ) so changes made in one do not affect the other - But thee is nor need r reason to trash either library if you use both - if you are starting ove with photos then yes delete the old Photos library and create a new one

     

    3 - with either program having multiple libraries is generally unnecessary and makes things more difficult - with Photos only one library will be synced to iCloud

     

    LN

  • by caelig,

    caelig caelig Apr 30, 2015 10:07 AM in response to LarryHN
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    Apr 30, 2015 10:07 AM in response to LarryHN

    Thank you for your comments.  Since it will be much easier for me to clean up my pictures using familiar iPhoto, my plan is to

    1. make sure my computer is backed up

    2. Delete my new Photo Libraries

    3. Delete some and transfer other photos to external HD using iphoto

    4. Finally, Change over to Photos program and ha e that as my primary photo program

     

    QUESTIONS:

    1. Do you think this is a good plan?

    2.  Will I be able to open the pictures saved on my external HD in the new PhOtis program?

    3.  How will I create new Photos libraries?

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN May 3, 2015 6:50 AM in response to caelig
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    May 3, 2015 6:50 AM in response to caelig

    1 - Personal choice - if you like Photos then yes - if you prefer iPhoto or other PhotoManagement software then no

     

    2 - You do not "open" photos using Photos (or iPhoto) - you open libraries - you import photos into libraries - if your photos are JPEG images then you can import them into Photos - you also can convert an iPhoto library to a Photos library using Photos

     

    3 - launch Photos while holding the option key down

     

    LN