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May 17, 2015 4:55 AM in response to Meg St._Clairby yas9in,Meg St._Clair wrote:
applenerd@me.com wrote:
RizzoUK wrote:
TThe watch can be reset from the watch without the need to enter the passcode.
As soon as you take it off, it'll be locked so it'll be impossible to reset it, although I can imagine you're right and activation lock is probably badly needed. expect it in the next updates.
No, the passcode doesn't make it impossible to reset. It just makes it impossible to use. The watch can still be reset and used with another iPhone.
How exactly would you go about resetting it if it's locked? it's not like you can put it in recovery mode, connect it to iTines and restore.
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May 17, 2015 4:59 AM in response to yas9inby Meg St._Clair,applenerd10 wrote:
Meg St._Clair wrote:
applenerd@me.com wrote:
RizzoUK wrote:
TThe watch can be reset from the watch without the need to enter the passcode.
As soon as you take it off, it'll be locked so it'll be impossible to reset it, although I can imagine you're right and activation lock is probably badly needed. expect it in the next updates.
No, the passcode doesn't make it impossible to reset. It just makes it impossible to use. The watch can still be reset and used with another iPhone.
How exactly would you go about resetting it if it's locked? it's not like you can put it in recovery mode, connect it to iTines and restore.
By following the instructions Apple gives:
If you forgot the passcode for your Apple Watch - Apple Support
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May 17, 2015 8:35 AM in response to Meg St._Clairby yas9in,Meg St._Clair wrote:
applenerd10 wrote:
Meg St._Clair wrote:
applenerd@me.com wrote:
RizzoUK wrote:
TThe watch can be reset from the watch without the need to enter the passcode.
As soon as you take it off, it'll be locked so it'll be impossible to reset it, although I can imagine you're right and activation lock is probably badly needed. expect it in the next updates.
No, the passcode doesn't make it impossible to reset. It just makes it impossible to use. The watch can still be reset and used with another iPhone.
How exactly would you go about resetting it if it's locked? it's not like you can put it in recovery mode, connect it to iTines and restore.
By following the instructions Apple gives:
If you forgot the passcode for your Apple Watch - Apple Support
well in case you hadn't noticed, these steps involve having access to the paired iPhone which any thief is unlikely to have (presuming you have a passcode and touch ID enabled) it's not really plausible that anyone would be able to steal your watch and iPhone at the same time while also knowing your iPhone passcode. it's possible, I admit, but not all that probable. I still believe activation lock is necessary but not all that big a deal.
Updats: I just read the rest of this support document and have to admit I stand corrected. I can't believe it's so easy to erase an apple watch and set it up anew. I must say I'm dissapointed in apple's security, there's basically no point in having a passcode.
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May 17, 2015 8:41 AM in response to yas9inby Meg St._Clair,Updats: I just read the rest of this support document and have to admit I stand corrected. I can't believe it's so easy to erase an apple watch and set it up anew. I must say I'm dissapointed in apple's security, there's basically no point in having a passcode.
So maybe next time you'll actually read the answer before getting all snarky?
However, there is a point in having a passcode. The passcode, just like on the iPhone, is there to protect your data. It is not there to prevent people from using the device. Without the passcode feature, someone could use Apple Pay from your watch, potentially access your computer (if you have and app like MacID installed).
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May 19, 2015 12:45 AM in response to RizzoUKby RizzoUK,There appears to be a rumour that a lock facility will require hardware updates which I find hard to believe. Surely Apple must have thought about this before even releasing the watch. If I was going to implement a lock I would probably do something like this:
Whenever the watch is paired with an iPhone or the software is updated and an Apple ID does not already exist in a private area of memory on the watch then transfer the Apple ID of the phone user to that private area of memory. I believe this already takes place.
if the watch is unpaired from the phone allow the option to unlock the watch by removing the Apple ID from the private area of memory on the watch.
Allow iCloud or find my phone the ability to schedule a remote wipe of a watch that has been lost or stolen.
if the watch is reset independently of the phone, ensuring the private area of memory survives the reset, use the Internet connection of the phone when it is repaired to verify the Apple ID of the watch owner. If a pending remote wipe exists wipe the watch but leave the Apple ID in the private area of memory. If the Apple ID is verified allow the pairing to succeed.
Not sure this would need hardware updates just a few software updates.
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May 19, 2015 2:43 AM in response to RizzoUKby yas9in,No, no hardware update is required. obviously, you don't know how the iPhone's activation lock works.
There is no need to keep an apple ID in 'private memory' as the activation requires iTunes servers' authorisation. when you first set your iPhone up with that ID, iTunes automatically locks it to that ID until you ask it to unlock this (e.g when selling it). although, it seems that this activation process and find my iPhone have been made to work with each other because if you turn off find my iphone before restoring, iTunes won't ask you for your apple ID when setting it up anew. activation lock on the apple watch would most likely have to use the same mechanism so that each time you want to pair a watch with an iPhone, it should require an internet connection and that you enter the apple ID it is locked to. the trouble right now is that apple hasn't even put an activation process in place so that even stolen watches can't be locked from ever being used again, which explains why there isn't a remote-wipe feature either.
keep in mind that none of the first few generations of iPhone had activation lock (although the aforementioned activation process was in place and was used for ensuring the iPhone was being used with an authorised SIM) and apple added it only recently. expect it to be added to the watch in future software updates, if not, I expect we should see it in the next generation of apple watch.
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Jun 10, 2015 5:57 AM in response to RizzoUKby RizzoUK,Hooray,
We have to wait till watch OS 2 but at least we know our comments have been heard and activation lock is coming.
Riz
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Jun 10, 2015 8:19 AM in response to RizzoUKby needleman_mark,This was announced at WWDC as a feature coming in Watch OS2 in the fall