Q: My recent calls appearing on another iPhone!?

JAta2 wrote:

 

The proof is that it works differently for different folks with the same settings.  That's what a software bug is.

Where did you ever get that from?

>> Where did you ever get that from?

Some of us have been in the software business for decades - probably before some here were born.

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JAta2 wrote:

 

>> Where did you ever get that from?

 

Some of us have been in the software business for decades - probably before some here were born.

 

 

 

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Obviously not including you if you think that that defines a "bug."

Incidentally, you don't want to hear my technical background.

>> Obviously not including you if you think that that defines a "bug."

You seem to like to argue with tautologies - not very useful.

>> Incidentally, you don't want to hear my technical background.

Obviously you know how to spell the word.   But until I see written proof of your technical background, it doesn't exist as has been claimed by you and others in this thread.

I was an engineer on the Apollo moon landing program and, in fact, Mr. Armstrong took my signature to the moon.

What's your background, sonny, other than being a soda jerk?  Obviously it's not technical if you believe "The proof is that it works differently for different folks with the same settings.  That's what a software bug is."

>> I was an engineer on the Apollo moon landing program and, in fact, Mr. Armstrong took my signature to the moon.

No written proof?  What a laugh!  Maybe you gave Mr. Armstrong Elvis' signature as well!

What makes you think that there's no written proof? 

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JAta2 wrote:

 

>> Where did you ever get that from?

 

Some of us have been in the software business for decades - probably before some here were born.

 

 

 

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Are you trying to say that you are?

Good evening all,

I have rarely seen such a pitiful and egotistical discussion on these pages. The bickering and pointless nastiness in most of these replies is shameful. These pages are meant to be a way for the community to assist each other. Instead what we see here is the worse type of bullying and misinformation possible.

This is a new account. I have created it having left the employ of Apple after many happy years. Most recently I was employed in the Apple Store, Carrousel du Louvre, Paris. I am now traveling for a few months/years.

First some history. Family sharing was first introduced to the general public Sep 2014. In fact, I was at the Worldwide Developers Conference on June 2, 2014 when it was first unveiled. As such it is relatively new. For staff like us it was a much needed feature as family members were previously encouraged (by store staff like us) to share an ID to police their kids. But that in itself bought issues with facetime and iMessage. These issues can be overcome by setting up separate IDs for those apps but this over complicated setups.

Now let’s be clear here. There is nothing wrong with sharing an ID. True, it is no longer the way Apple want you to do things but until late 2014 it is how many people were encouraged to set things up by Apple employees themselves. As such there are millions of people across the world set up in this manner and belittling people with this set up is frankly pathetic.

In fact, the new family sharing is not a perfect fit for some families especially as an in-app purchase is not available on all devices. Many of us reported this as a poorly thought out but it seems this is intentional, possibly due to pressure from developers, as so many apps moved from the paid model to the free with in-app purchase model.

Due to the above, If I had young kids I would STILL share an ID.

Second, some facts. This sharing of recent calls “feature” is not as new as people believe. Recent calls have always been backed up to iCloud from the time you were able to backup to iCloud. But only relatively recently (around IOS8+) has the data somehow become 2 way. This sharing of recent calls is NOT an advertised feature in any IOS and is certainly not consistent. i.e. It is not guaranteed that the same 2 devices set up the same way will experience the feature. We concluded when we looked into it that there were two factors in play. One is iCloud contacts and the second is iCloud drive. Turning one off or the other, or sometimes simply tweaking a random setting in either will usually stop the feature. As such this feature IS A BUG and is being addressed but I have no idea when.

It is possible that Apple planned to provide this as a real feature in future but for the moment it is a bug as there is no consistent way to turn it on (never mind off). I would expect that if it were a real feature it would be both advertised and be controllable.

Do with this information as you see fit. I’m sure the more childish will continue to bicker as that seems to be what this thread has become.

Good luck to you all. Please work together to help each other.

Thank you John for an extremely articulate, informative and helpful post.  I think those stuck with this issue for which possible avoidance techniques of separate accounts are not suitable should report the problem via http://bugreport.apple.com as well as feedback so that Apple can properly gauge the importance of this issue.  I guess I got lucky when I installed 9.2.1 when it stopped merging the call lists (without effectively changing any settings although 9.2.1 first turned on iCloud drive and I had to turn it off for all my devices) and was hoping it was fixed for more folks.

I guess I got lucky when I installed 9.2.1 when it stopped merging the call lists (without effectively changing any settings although 9.2.1 first turned on iCloud drive and I had to turn it off for all my devices) and was hoping it was fixed for more folks.

I'm curious about your post.  Are you saying 9.2.1 fixed everything?  Or, do you still need to have iCloud turned off?  If you need iCloud off, it is not really a fix as there is a trade-off in that a feature is sacrificed in order to stop the call logs.

>> I'm curious about your post.  Are you saying 9.2.1 fixed everything?  Or, do you still need to have iCloud turned off?  If you need iCloud off, it is not really a fix as there is a trade-off in that a feature is sacrificed in order to stop the call logs.

I actually *never* ran with iCloud Drive turned on - worked fine until I started having problems with call list merging in iOS 9.0.x.  That was what was so very frustrating.  With 9.2.1, I'm running the way I want without any duplicate call list entries.  If I ever decide to turn it on, I guess I won't be surprised to see call list merging again.  Bur for my current use case, it's working nicely.  Note that I always put off using iCloud Drive because I didn't feel I needed it - I use SpiderOak for my secure cloud storage and the original non-drive iCloud seemed to work fine for backups (I actually prefer iTunes but recognize iCloud is more easily kept up to date since it is automatic) as well as storing app specific data.  Of course I have empathy with those stuck today and sincerely hope that this bug gets fixed soon.

too much to read in here, but long story short STOP SHARING AN APPLE ID WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T YOURSELF DO THAT AND YOU WILL HAVE NO PROBLEMS!!

Shuu_God wrote:

 

too much to read in here, but long story short STOP SHARING AN APPLE ID WITH SOMEONE WHO ISN'T YOURSELF DO THAT AND YOU WILL HAVE NO PROBLEMS!!

You would think that would make some sense... But it doesn't as there are people like me who do not share an ID with other people yet still have problems with call history. Maybe you should have read some of the posts

Your call logs are showing up on someone else's phone?

Do tell.