For the first time, I used the Straighten tool (in Adjustments) to correct sloping horizons and leaning lamp-posts etc.
Now, when I come to use the Crop tool, all my images are slightly tilted.
What is/should be the relationship between Crop and Straighten, please?
Thanks!
iMac with Retina 5K display, OS X Yosemite (10.10.3), Clean machine... no haxies; no Microsoft etc
What is/should be the relationship between Crop and Straighten, please?
When you crop a photo, that has been straightened, the crop will be applied to the straightened image, and it will be tilted, when you crop.
But only straightened images should appear tilted. Are you saying, all your images are tilted all of a sudden?
Could it be, that you accidentally applied the straighten to all photos with the Lift&Stamp tool, when you wanted to stamp some metadata?
Léonie,
Thanks, Yes: the crop is/seems to be being applied to the 'straightened' image (which I want/wanted to be like this).
As a result - appears tilted, which I do not want.
It's as you say (and your example shows, I think… it's a little dark, thanks!).
And only those images adjusted by my having previously used the Straighten Tool are now tilted when I come to crop them. Otherwise everything all shows up untilted.
So, the behavior is as expected?
If so, how can I meaningfully now crop a tilted image, please?
Thanks!
So, the behavior is as expected?
If so, how can I meaningfully now crop a tilted image, please?
Only the image will be tilted as you straightened it and want it.
The cropping rectangle is constrained to the area that can be cropped out from the tilted image, without tilting the cropping rectangle.
Once you apply the crop clicking the "Apply" button the image will be back to normal.
Perhaps your problem is, that Aperture opens all images with the tilted original showing when you browse and step the images?
This is meant to be helpful, but a bit confusing.
Make sure to deselect the straighten tool and crop tool while browsing. If an image opens with the straighten or crop tools selected, it will show the uncropped tilted image. Simply click the "Selection tool A"arrow or press the "A" keyboard shortcut.
This will close the cropping view and show you the correctly cropped image.
léonie wrote:
…Make sure to deselect the straighten tool and crop tool while browsing. If an image opens with the straighten or crop tools selected, it will show the uncropped tilted image. Simply click the "Selection tool A"arrow or press the "A" keyboard shortcut.…
Léonie!
Thanks so much again for taking the time and trouble to help me here.
What you describe is (of course!) what happens :-)
(And, No - I only see a tilt (presumably in the counter direction of what I did?) on images that I have straightened - and straightened to my liking, successfully.
But I think your descriptions of what (am I right?) seem to be three 'states' of an image (namely, Browsing, Tillable, Croppable???) has revealed a big gap in my understanding: am I not (permanently) saving images after cropping/straightening them each time?
Is - in some way - use of the Crop and/or Straighten tool a sort of specific 'View' of an original (I have a Referenced Library)?
And an Original, at that, which is always there to go back and work on?
If so, does such a view (e.g. ready to crop) present me with a 'version' of each image which is additional to the basic one I have on my raw file-system?
When you say
Make sure to deselect the straighten tool and crop tool while browsing
That is, I know, very significant. But I still don't really understand where it fits into using my images.
Once again - your help appreciated. I really want to understand this :-)
am I not (permanently) saving images after cropping/straightening them each time?
When you crop an image you save the edited version with the cropping applied by pressing the "Apply" button.
That will save the current crop, and when you open the image again, this cropping rectangle should be applied.
Is - in some way - use of the Crop and/or Straighten tool a sort of specific 'View' of an original (I have a ReferencedLibrary)?
It is not showing the original master image. What you will see is the currently edited version, but in the bounds of the original image. You can check this by applying a color adjustment. Then you'll see, that the tilted image below the cropping rectangle will have the adjusted colors.
That is, I know, very significant. But I still don't really understand where it fits into using my images.
My recommendation "Make sure to deselect the straighten tool and crop tool while browsing" is just meant to ensure that the images will not open in the tilted view with the cropping rectangle overlayed, when you do not want to crop them.
As long as the neither Crop nor Straighten is selected, your images will show the currently edited version, when you switch between the images.
Léonie,
Thanks again. Everything you say not only makes sense, but is as I experience it.
But to help me understand what Aperture is doing (rather than - pragmatically - what I should do (thanks) in order to use it), is it true to say:
?
If so, I guess I still don't really understand the relationship in files between what I see to crop/or straighten and what I see when I browse.
Thanks so much, léonie!
I can't imagine how you could have explained this more clearly.
I understand perfectly :-)
'Everything' really is all always there (which is fine by me); it's just a question of what's selected… which Tool(s), which View.
Tangentially, though, if I may - and I'm pretty sure, unrelated: when I'm cropping the box sometimes doesn't behave as I want - which is usually to be able to extend (and contract it) over the entire image. I typically turn 'Constraining' off.
It seems to make a difference whether I start top left, bottom left, bottom right or top right and drag outwards from there.
Is that expected?
Again - much appreciated.
You're welcome 🙂
Which Aperture version are you using? Have you updated to Aperture 3.6 on Yosemite?
léonie,
Yes 3.6 on 10.10.3.
… have just had a session cropping and I'm now beginning to wonder whether the small constrained box I sometimes get is actually related to other (straighten) operations I've carried out.
Relationship between Crop and Straighten
