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Q: I can't transfer Apple Music to iPod Nano

I started Apple Music trial, and I added some songs to My Music library, when I connect my iPod Nano 7g and try to sync. It says that song was not copied to the iPod because it is a subscription item.

 

It is supposed that I can play them offline, right?

iPod nano, OS X Yosemite (10.10.4), null

Posted on Jul 1, 2015 2:00 PM

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  • by kmbro,

    kmbro kmbro Jul 27, 2015 1:39 PM in response to kmbro
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    Jul 27, 2015 1:39 PM in response to kmbro

    http://9to5mac.com/2015/07/17/ipod-nano-shuffle-apple-music-piracy/

    By not allowing users to sync their offline songs to the iPod nano and shuffle, Apple can guarantee that users aren’t able to keep a collection of songs on their device after cancelling their Apple Music subscription.

    So apparently nothing to do with platform DRM-unwrapping capability...

  • by deggie,

    deggie deggie Jul 27, 2015 1:54 PM in response to kmbro
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    Jul 27, 2015 1:54 PM in response to kmbro

    It doesn't really address that, but if it makes you feel better then I'll go with that: You can't put Apple Music on the iPod Shuffle or Nano.

  • by kmbro,

    kmbro kmbro Jul 27, 2015 2:08 PM in response to deggie
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    Jul 27, 2015 2:08 PM in response to deggie

    The thing that makes me feel better is that none of the online reports I've read say that the lack of Apple Music is down to a hardware limitation, so there's a chance that customer pressure will cause Apple to make it happen.

     

    If it really is down to hardware then I've just bought a lemon, spurred on by Spotify saying you can sync downloaded music to a N7G, then recanting a few weeks later saying "of course, we meant downloaded PURCHASED music."  To have Apple pull a similar stunt by prominently advertising Apple Music on their iPod Nano pages, and vice versa, then recanting in the small print, is similarly a case of very bad sharp practise. Fortunately I'm still on my 3 month trial so I haven't lost anything yet (other than some iTunes Match tracks that got DRMed, but that's another story!) so I can still go back to the 20th century, or put my Nano on eBay and stump up for a Touch. Of course, if the Touch Nano comes out in September...

  • by Karens5565,

    Karens5565 Karens5565 Jul 29, 2015 11:45 PM in response to jsilvamo
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    Jul 29, 2015 11:45 PM in response to jsilvamo

    I got a new iPod yesterday and when trying to sync I am getting this for 8 songs which are off albums I have purchased before Apple Music was released (and I haven't used Apple Music at all yet).    Why would that be?   Very frustrating.

  • by kmbro,

    kmbro kmbro Jul 29, 2015 11:57 PM in response to Karens5565
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    Jul 29, 2015 11:57 PM in response to Karens5565

    The simple answer is that the current Nano firmware can't support the Apple Music ecosystem. There's then a strong belief held by many (myself included) that Apple could make it work if they put their minds and their money to it.  There's a counter-belief that Apple won't put their money into this idea because the return on investment wouldn't be good enough, and another school of thought that says the hardware isn't powerful enough to support the necessary firmware changes. Apple haven't said WHY they haven't made this change, and they haven't said whether they will or not in the future, and they haven't said whether or not it's technically possible or financially viable. All they've said for certain is that right now Aple Music won't work with an iPod Nano. So, sadly, you'll have to join the ranks of other frustrated recent iPod Nano purchasers. Sorry.

  • by Karens5565,

    Karens5565 Karens5565 Jul 30, 2015 12:48 AM in response to kmbro
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    Jul 30, 2015 12:48 AM in response to kmbro

    Wasn't sure if this was directed at my post or not so if not apologies but my complaint is around certain songs from an album that I purchased through iTunes last year are coming up with this error message.   The rest of the songs on the album have transferred to my iPod with no problem just 3 of them won't so that's my confusion.    I have no interest in using Apple Music...

  • by Roger Wilmut1,

    Roger Wilmut1 Roger Wilmut1 Jul 30, 2015 12:55 AM in response to Karens5565
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    Jul 30, 2015 12:55 AM in response to Karens5565

    You are more likely to get an answer if you start your own thread rather than tacking on to an unrelated one.

  • by kmbro,

    kmbro kmbro Jul 30, 2015 1:00 AM in response to Karens5565
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    Jul 30, 2015 1:00 AM in response to Karens5565

    Karens5565 wrote:

     

    Wasn't sure if this was directed at my post

    It was, but I didn't read your post carefully enough.  Sounds like you're off-topic - this thread is specifically about Apple Music DRMed tracks not being transferred to iPod Nanos.  If you've got iTunes purchased tracks and have never even signed up for Apple Music then this isn't your problem.  However ... have you updated to the latest iTunes on your computer?  12.2.1 on both Windows and Mac, I think.  Go into My Music and sort by Songs, then turn on the iCloud Status column.  If it says your track is Apple Music instead of Purchased then that's your problem.  If not, seek help elsewhere - sorry.

  • by kg2mdej,

    kg2mdej kg2mdej Aug 4, 2015 12:36 AM in response to jsilvamo
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    Aug 4, 2015 12:36 AM in response to jsilvamo

    I am irritated because I bought the music BEFORE I began the trial subscription and I am not able to download the music from my iTunes library to my iPod (not a nano but a scroll wheel)…get message saying the song is a subscription item???

  • by kg2mdej,

    kg2mdej kg2mdej Aug 4, 2015 12:28 AM in response to jsilvamo
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    Aug 4, 2015 12:28 AM in response to jsilvamo

    I bought the song BEFORE I began the subscription so why am I unable to download the song?

  • by indigoNY,

    indigoNY indigoNY Aug 12, 2015 6:28 PM in response to Roger Wilmut1
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    Aug 12, 2015 6:28 PM in response to Roger Wilmut1

    Apple can still make it work, especially on the latest iPod nano. They can require nano to be connected to iTunes every 30 days to verify that subscription is still active. Maybe that would require firmware update but it seems feasible.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 12, 2015 6:44 PM in response to indigoNY
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    Aug 12, 2015 6:44 PM in response to indigoNY

    Have you informed Apple yet? Go here and tell them.

     

    Apple feedback.

  • by hhgttg27,

    hhgttg27 hhgttg27 Aug 13, 2015 2:46 PM in response to indigoNY
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    Aug 13, 2015 2:46 PM in response to indigoNY

    "Apple can still make it work, especially on the latest iPod nano."

     

    How do you know? Are you a current/former Apple developer, or have detailed insight into the nano's firmware code and operations?

     

    "They can require nano to be connected to iTunes every 30 days to verify that subscription is still active."

     

    So you know that licensing and other legal agreements between Apple, media providers, and artists include provisions covering a subscription verification method that is very different from that used by all devices that currently support Apple Music?

     

    "Maybe that would require firmware update but it seems feasible."

     

    Feasible, possibly, but is it economically worthwhile for Apple?  Do you suppose that Apple haven't done marketing studies and demographic analyses to determine the ROI on providing Apple Music on legacy iPods?

  • by ikorg,

    ikorg ikorg Aug 22, 2015 4:49 AM in response to jsilvamo
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    Aug 22, 2015 4:49 AM in response to jsilvamo

    Boo for this one apple...so we don't really own the music...what happens if we stop paying for the subscription? do we loose the 'apple' music that we have made available offline???

  • by Roger Wilmut1,

    Roger Wilmut1 Roger Wilmut1 Aug 22, 2015 4:56 AM in response to ikorg
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    Aug 22, 2015 4:56 AM in response to ikorg

    ikorg wrote:

     

    Boo for this one apple...so we don't really own the music...what happens if we stop paying for the subscription? do we loose the 'apple' music that we have made available offline???

    Yes of course you do. What did you expect? You are not buying the songs - that would work out far more expensive - you are in effect renting them: paying for the ability to listen to them at your leisure as long as you go on paying. If you rent an apartment and stop paying rent you get evicted. If you rent Apple Music and stop paying for it you will not longer be able to stream or play downloaded songs. If you want to keep songs permanently without further payment - buy them.

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