Blinking ? and happy Mac OS face on new HD, and PRAM reset didn't help.

I have a dual 400 mhz PowerMac G4 with OS 10.4.8. I installed a second HD from an iMac DV with OS 9.2, and when I start up I get a folder icon that blinks between a question mark and a happy Mac OS face. The iMac HD worked fine when it was in an external HD enclosure, but installed in the PowerMac itself produces the above described effect. I tried resetting PRAM. It didn't work.

Can anyone give me some advice on how to get it to work?

PowerMac G4 Dual 400mhz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Oct 28, 2006 7:01 PM

11 replies

Oct 28, 2006 9:57 PM in response to Community User

Hi, zenheadache! Welcome to the Discussions!

First, insure that the hard drive pin settings are appropriately jumpered, with one set for master and the other for slave. Then do a PRAM reset and attempt startup as Tom suggested, which should force the Mac to boot to your OS X volume. Once booted, launch System Preferences and check the Startup Disk pane to insure that the OS X volume is set as the default startup volume.

Next, restart to the Startup Manager by depressing the option key at startup. Both your OS X volume and your OS 9 volume should appear on the Startup Manager screen. Click to highlight the OS 9 volume and then click on the arrow on the right to boot to OS 9.

If OS 9 still does not boot, there may be an issue associated with OS 9 being initially installed on the iMac and then being installed in the tower. If you have a retail version of the OS 9.x install disc, you might consider copying your current OS 9.2.2 folder over to your OS X volume for safekeeping, reinstalling and updating OS 9.x to OS 9.2.2, and then copying the files you might need from the original OS 9 folder over to the newly-installed version. Then test again and subsequently trash the original OS 9.2.2 folder from the OS X volume when you're satisfied that you have everything you need from it and everything is running properly.

Gary

Oct 29, 2006 12:06 AM in response to Community User

David,

Here is a link to settings for various drive brands.

When two drives are connected on the same ribbon cable, one drive's pins are jumpered as master and the other is jumpered as slave. When two drives are attached to a single cable, it does not matter which drive is connected to which connector as master or as slave. Rather, it only matters that there is one with each pin setting. It also does not matter which drive is the primary startup drive, which can be the master drive or the slave drive. Usually, there's a diagram on the drives themselves which show the different jumper pin settings.

If you need some help with this, post back and let us know the brand of drive that you have just installed into the tower from the iMac and the brand that has always been in the tower. Given this info, we can advise you how the pins should specifically be set for each one.

Gary

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Oct 29, 2006 10:30 AM in response to Majordadusma

Hi Gary. I pulled the "new" HDD out to look beneath. I see no diagram anywhere on the iMac HDD, nor do I see any way to make pin settings. There's just circuits and chips, nothing else. I haven't removed the PowerMac's original HDD, since I see no obvious way to do that. There is no diagram on the visible portion of the unremoved original HDD either.

The "new" iMac HDD:

Quantum Fireball CX 10.0 GB 3.5 Series
10.2 AT
P/N CX10A011 Rev 02-B
FBCXA 655T0017 ML93604QXH5NA

The original PowerMac HDD:

Quantum Fireball Plus LM 30.0 GB 3.5 Series
QOLID 655T0027 MF0400036J25A
F/W A350700
P/N 655-0827

Thanks.

David

PowerMac G4 Dual 400mhz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Oct 29, 2006 11:10 AM in response to Community User

The usual jumper configuration for Quantum Fireball IDE hard drives is this: Single drive or Master with a Slave connected requires a jumper, placed vertically at DS (Drive Select). A drive configured as Slave requires no jumper, so remove it, since it's probably still installed on the drive removed from the iMac. With the top of the drive facing up, the jumper configuration pins are arranged in 4 vertically-aligned pairs, between the data cable connection and power connection ports. From left-to-right, the first vertical pair "DS" is closest to the ribbon cable. Your G4's Fireball hard drive should already have a jumper installed there. Remove the jumper (in the same location) from the iMac hard drive, for slave use.

Oct 29, 2006 12:08 PM in response to Community User

David,

You sure have a couple of old-timers in there! (I noticed that the 10GB CX drive is a 5400 RPM drive, which is slower than the 7200 RPM 30GB LM drive, although both are Ultra ATA/66 drives and should work.)

The jumper block is the section on the connection end of the drive between the power cable connection pins and the ribbon cable connection pins. It has eight pins, arranged in two rows of four pins. The pins are connected vertically with the tiny jumper (shunt) to obtain a given setting. To set the pins, orient the connection end of the drive so that as you're facing it, the power cable connector is on the left side. Here are the settings:

Quantum Fireball Plus LM 30.0 GB 3.5 Series
Set it as Master: The jumper pin should be inserted vertically across the two pins in the jumper block which are furthest from the power cable connector pins. This is the DS setting, which may or may not be marked on the drive. Your drive likely is already set this way, but check to be sure.

Quantum Fireball CX 10.0 GB 3.5 Series
Set this one as Slave: The jumper pin should either be removed completely, or be inserted vertically across the second set of pins closest to the power cable connection pins, which is the PK position (park position) and is used to store the jumper when its use is not required.

You can easily remove a jumper with a set of tweezers or a paper clip with a small hook at the end, when it needs to be repositioned.

To pull the original drive, remove the entire drive carrier, which makes things easy to work with. Disconnect the cables to the drive. There is a single phillips screw which secures the front of the carrier to the base of the Mac. It's located at the front center of the carrier, just in front of the drive. Remove this screw and slide the carrier forward to disengage it from two flanges which secure it in the rear, then guide it up and out of the Mac.

Gary

Oct 29, 2006 12:25 PM in response to Jeff

Jeff & David:

Sorry about the overlapping, repetitively posted info. I started a reply, got called for lunch, and finished up posting when I returned, just to later find similar info kindly provided by Jeff. I'm probably just getting old and feeble-minded... 😟

Gary

ps: I'ts good to run into you, Jeff! It's been some time since I've had the pleasure of working on an issue with you!

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