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Q: Mom's Photos Library is Cluttered with Duplicates, Multiple Imports

My mom's new Photos library is cluttered with many duplicates.

 

I believe when she upgraded to Yosemite, Photos imported her iPhoto library by default.

 

She noticed many pictures were missing, and got advice to import the iPhoto library again.  This got her missing pictures back, but added the duplicates.

 

The old iPhoto library is 10GB, and the new Photos library is 14GB. 

 

"Duplicate Photos Fixer Pro" shows 800 duplicate pictures, out of 4500, in the Photos lib.  However, Photos "All Photos" shows 6600 pictures.

 

My first preference would be to delete the existing Photos library and start over.  I worry that Photos won't be able to import the old iPhotos library again.  I don't like that word "Migrated" in the get info display for the iPhoto library.  She does not have access to iPhoto since she was on 9.4 when she upgraded to Yosemite.

 

Or I could select all on "Last Import" in Photos and delete all the pictures from the last import.  That would roll us back one import at least.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Bluepost

iMac, OS X Yosemite (10.10.3)

Posted on Jul 9, 2015 3:45 PM

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  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Jul 9, 2015 4:43 PM in response to Bluepost
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    Jul 9, 2015 4:43 PM in response to Bluepost

    iPhoto is still in here Applications folder and works fine- she was not up to date and needs version 9.6.1 - if the App store updates do not show an update for 9.6.1 see Can't Update iPhoto because it is not available in the App Store

     

     


    I have no idea who recommended to her to import her iPhoto library but they are stupid and should never be trusted - you NEVER import a library - it does not work and creates a massive mess

     

     

    Be careful of duplicate cleaners - I have never heard of "Duplicate Photos Fixer Pro"

     

    The three that I know have been tested and are safe are

     

    PowerPhotos by FatCat

    PhotoSweeper for Photos

    Duplicate Annihilator for Photos

     

    As to migrating again yes you can - if you open the iPhoto library it will ask if you want to open it or migrate - and you can launch Photos while holding down the option key and select the ipHoto library to open and migrate

     

    LN

  • by Bluepost,

    Bluepost Bluepost Jul 9, 2015 7:50 PM in response to LarryHN
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    Jul 9, 2015 7:50 PM in response to LarryHN

    Thanks LarryHN . . .

    LarryHN wrote:


    I have no idea who recommended to her to import her iPhoto library but they are stupid and should never be trusted - you NEVER import a library - it does not work and creates a massive mess

    I think she wanted to preserve her iPhoto albums.  Lots of sweat equity there.  Was there another way?  And, my worry about the duplicate cleaner is it doesn't say which dups are associated to albums.

     

     

     

    As to migrating again yes you can - if you open the iPhoto library it will ask if you want to open it or migrate - and you can launch Photos while holding down the option key and select the ipHoto library to open and migrate

     

    I've read that you can do as you say.  But why is the Photos library so big, 15 GB, if it just a bunch of hard links to the old iPhoto library?  There must be a lot of content in there that wasn't in the iPhoto lib?

     

     

     

    It seems like she has:

     

    1. Files from the original import to iPhoto long ago.

    2. Files that have never been imported to anything

    3.  iPhoto lib that contains part of all the above plus files that got imported straight into iPhoto from a device.

    4.. Photos lib that is some combination of all the above.

     

    I'm leaning towards just de-duping the Photos lib and see what happens.  Will look at the programs you recommended.

     

    Thanks, Bluepost

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Jul 9, 2015 10:09 PM in response to Bluepost
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    Jul 9, 2015 10:09 PM in response to Bluepost

    Albums are kept when you migrate your iPhoto library

     

    and albums are not a "place" - photos are no duplicated into albums - albums are one of several ways to view photos in the library - a single photo can be in hundreds of albums but only exists once in the library

     

     

     

    As to size the size reported by the finder is the size that would remain if the iphoto library we're deleted - again no duplication, one set of originals and previous with two libraries using hard links to them - Photos saves disk space by sharing images with your iPhoto or Aperture libraries - Apple Support

     

    It seems like she has:

     

    1. Files from the original import to iPhoto long ago.

    2. Files that have never been imported to anything

    3.  iPhoto lib that contains part of all the above plus files that got imported straight into iPhoto from a device.

    4.. Photos lib that is some combination of all the above.

    1 - you want those

    2 - no - neither Photos nor iPhoto have photos in them that were not imported

    3 - ???

    4 - if the Photo library were simply converted then it contains like to the iPhoto library - but since she then imported the iPhoto library again she made a terrible mess and has links to the iPhoto library for the migration plus copies of the original photos imported from the iphoto library, copies of the previews imported form the iPhoto library and copies of the thumbnails imported form the iPhoto library

     

     

    You do what you want but the only really solution is to start over and migrate properly and to NEVER import any library into another one

     

    LN

  • by Bluepost,

    Bluepost Bluepost Jul 10, 2015 6:52 AM in response to LarryHN
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    Jul 10, 2015 6:52 AM in response to LarryHN

    LarryHN wrote:

     

    As to size the size reported by the finder is the size that would remain if the iphoto library we're deleted - again no duplication, one set of originals and previous with two libraries using hard links to them - Photos saves disk space by sharing images with your iPhoto or Aperture libraries - Apple Support

     

    Thanks, missed that one about Photos reporting a fictitious disk space usage.  Guess it makes sense.

     

     

     

    It seems like she has:

     

    1. Files from the original import to iPhoto long ago.

    2. Files that have never been imported to anything

    3.  iPhoto lib that contains part of all the above plus files that got imported straight into iPhoto from a device.

    4.. Photos lib that is some combination of all the above.

    1 - you want those

    2 - no - neither Photos nor iPhoto have photos in them that were not imported

    I'm referring to free range image files that have never been sucked into either iPhoto or Photos.

     

     

     

    You do what you want but the only really solution is to start over and migrate properly and to NEVER import any library into another one

     

    LN

    That would be my preference but would lose the albums and all the other "added value" from 12 years of iPhoto.  How do I know that she didn't delete some of the original files to save space after she did the first iPhoto  import when George Bush was still President?  People who lived through the Depression do things like that.

     

    Bluepost

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Jul 10, 2015 7:34 AM in response to Bluepost
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    Jul 10, 2015 7:34 AM in response to Bluepost

    Thanks, missed that one about Photos reporting a fictitious disk space usage.  Guess it makes sense.

    It is not "fictitious" space - it is double counting of the same space

     

    and in her case since she imorted her iPhoto library into Photos all of the photos she imported that she shoud not have are duplicated in both libraries - only the migration uses hard links

     

    as to images that have never been imported into either - then they are not in either - nothing is in an iPhoto library or a photos library that was not imported

     

     

    and as to losing albums - again NO!

    Albums are kept when you migrate your iPhoto library

    as is al the "other value added" - the migration give you a Photos library exactly matching your iPhoto library in content and organization (with the obvious changes of events to moments for example

     

    as to knowing if she deleted something - a unique thought -ask her

     

    anyway - you do what ever you want - and be sure your backup is up to date before you do in case another user error causes more problems

     

    LN

  • by Bluepost,

    Bluepost Bluepost Jul 10, 2015 8:05 AM in response to LarryHN
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    Jul 10, 2015 8:05 AM in response to LarryHN

    LarryHN wrote:

     

    Thanks, missed that one about Photos reporting a fictitious disk space usage.  Guess it makes sense.

    It is not "fictitious" space - it is double counting of the same space.

    Glad we settled that one.

     

     

     

     

    and as to losing albums - again NO!

    Albums are kept when you migrate your iPhoto library

    as is al the "other value added" - the migration give you a Photos library exactly matching your iPhoto library in content and organization (with the obvious changes of events to moments for example.

    I have no idea who recommended to her to import her iPhoto library but they are stupid and should never be trusted - you NEVER import a library - it does not work and creates a massive mess

     

    Ok -- I finally see you are making a distinction between "migration" and "import".  My Mom probably did the initial MIGRATION of her iPhoto library into Photos, but then somebody suggested IMPORTING the iPhoto library.  Migration is a one time event, not to be repeated.  IMPORTING the iPhoto library into Photos should never be done as you say.


    I got off track in my first post:


     

    I believe when she upgraded to Yosemite, Photos imported her iPhoto library by default.

     

    LarryHN Advised:

    as to knowing if she deleted something - a unique thought -ask her

    She's 95.  Memory errors abound.

     

    Bluepost



  • by LarryHN,Solvedanswer

    LarryHN LarryHN Jul 10, 2015 8:30 AM in response to Bluepost
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    Jul 10, 2015 8:30 AM in response to Bluepost
    Migration is a one time event, not to be repeated.

    Not at all - you can as I suggested throw out the messed up library and migrate again - as many times as you want - when you migrate you do migrate what it there now so and changes made to the original will re elected in the newly migrated library

     

    and you can migrate as many different libraries as you have - each migrated library is a different and distinct library

     

    LN

  • by Bluepost,

    Bluepost Bluepost Jul 10, 2015 12:58 PM in response to LarryHN
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    Jul 10, 2015 12:58 PM in response to LarryHN

    LarryHN wrote:

     

    Migration is a one time event, not to be repeated.

    Not at all - you can as I suggested throw out the messed up library and migrate again - as many times as you want - when you migrate you do migrate what it there now so and changes made to the original will re elected in the newly migrated library

     

    and you can migrate as many different libraries as you have - each migrated library is a different and distinct library

     

    LN

    Ok, trashed the bad Photos library and held option key while starting up Photos.  Asked it to migrate the old iPhotos library .  It was greyed out, Photos wouldn't accept it.  Did getinfo on the iPhoto library and deleted the "migrated" from the filename extension.  Tried again, Photos happy, migration successful, we're way better off than before.  Now there are some monster background jobs running on the new database.  Facial recognition etc, I hear.  Poor old iMac is hot, very hot.  Smells hot.  Gave him his own fan. 

     

    Guess we're done with this one.  Thanks for the help LarryHN.

     

    Bluepost

  • by LarryHN,

    LarryHN LarryHN Jul 10, 2015 1:08 PM in response to Bluepost
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    Jul 10, 2015 1:08 PM in response to Bluepost

    Good - glad to help (and tell Mom to drop the person who advised her to import her library) -

     

     

    LN