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Can I charge my Macbook 2015 from a 2A 5V usb wall charger?

Hi Guys,


I have no usb-c to usb-c cable to connect my macbook 2015 to its charger ) :


Can I temporarily use a usb-c to usb-a cable plugged into a 2 amp usb phone charger for a very slow overnight charge, or is there a minimum wattage I need before my Macbook will accept the charge?


The 2amp charger at 5v is 10 watts, but is that enough?!


Thanks

MacBook, OS X Yosemite (10.10.4)

Posted on Jul 14, 2015 8:42 PM

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Posted on Nov 28, 2015 4:07 AM

Hello:

For anyone interested in the details of Macbook 12" charging via 5V USB, here some data points.


Using an Orico charger with 2.4A (nominal) "Supercharger" port, and IOGEAR USB-A to USB-C charge cable (3.3ft), I record a power draw of 2.60A with a voltage of 4.72V (voltage drops from nominal 5.00 due to the strong draw).


Meanwhile, the Macbook (Coconut Battery) reports a discharge of <10mAh (less than 0.2% of battery capacity) per minute at this current and voltage, thus essentially keeping the battery level charged, while the Macbook is in operation.


With the Macbook being folded shut (i.e., sleep mode), the Macbook reports a charge of 50mAh for 3 minutes of charge. Thus, a total charge would take approximately 300 minutes or 5 hours.


In summary, a 5V/2.4A (12W) charger can keep a Macbook 12" operating almost continuously, but without charging it. Once the Macbook is in sleep mode, the 12W charger is able to charge the notebook in about 5hrs.


What about lower current chargers or portable batteries? It appears the Macbook attempts to draw at least 1.5A from its power supply. When it negotiates the power draw with the supply unit, and the power supply unit cannot provide the 1.5A at minimum 4.4-4.5V voltage, The Macbook discontinues its power draw. I found none of my 3 (cheap) portable batteries able to supply the Macbook, whereas a portable charger was able to charge the Macbook at 4.55V with 1.5A current.

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The attached photos show power draw from my Orico charger.User uploaded file

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Nov 28, 2015 4:07 AM in response to stevelavv

Hello:

For anyone interested in the details of Macbook 12" charging via 5V USB, here some data points.


Using an Orico charger with 2.4A (nominal) "Supercharger" port, and IOGEAR USB-A to USB-C charge cable (3.3ft), I record a power draw of 2.60A with a voltage of 4.72V (voltage drops from nominal 5.00 due to the strong draw).


Meanwhile, the Macbook (Coconut Battery) reports a discharge of <10mAh (less than 0.2% of battery capacity) per minute at this current and voltage, thus essentially keeping the battery level charged, while the Macbook is in operation.


With the Macbook being folded shut (i.e., sleep mode), the Macbook reports a charge of 50mAh for 3 minutes of charge. Thus, a total charge would take approximately 300 minutes or 5 hours.


In summary, a 5V/2.4A (12W) charger can keep a Macbook 12" operating almost continuously, but without charging it. Once the Macbook is in sleep mode, the 12W charger is able to charge the notebook in about 5hrs.


What about lower current chargers or portable batteries? It appears the Macbook attempts to draw at least 1.5A from its power supply. When it negotiates the power draw with the supply unit, and the power supply unit cannot provide the 1.5A at minimum 4.4-4.5V voltage, The Macbook discontinues its power draw. I found none of my 3 (cheap) portable batteries able to supply the Macbook, whereas a portable charger was able to charge the Macbook at 4.55V with 1.5A current.

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The attached photos show power draw from my Orico charger.User uploaded file

Jul 15, 2015 8:16 AM in response to Lanny

Thanks for your reply.


So far thats the best I can get - "Probably" !


Its just I have read in places that the macbook does not accept this low charge.


I have now found my cable which was tucked in some bubble wrap, but still it could be useful to know if you can trickle charge your macbook with a phone charger overnight in emergencies.


Anyway I have ordered a usb c to usb a cable and will post my findings.


Thanks

Nov 28, 2015 9:06 AM in response to stevelavv

Hello:

For anyone interested in the details of Macbook 12" charging via 5V USB, here some data points (revised). Please ignore my earlier post, as I re-measured many of my earlier data points.


1. Charge with an Orioco 5V/2.4A Charger

Using an Orico charger with 2.4A (nominal) "Supercharger" port, and IOGEAR USB-A to USB-C charge cable (3.3ft), I record a power draw of 2.60A with a voltage of 4.72V (voltage drops from nominal 5.00 due to the strong draw). Meanwhile, the Macbook (Coconut Battery) reports a slight charge while in operation (playing a B&W movie) amounting to 0.077mAh per second, equivalent to a full charge in 19+ hours. With the Macbook being folded shut (i.e., sleep mode) and at 70-80% battery capacity, the Macbook reports a charge of 0.36mAh per second. Thus, a total charge would take approximately 4 hours (likely a bit more, due to the current drop-off when the battery is almost full).


In summary, a 5V/2.4A (12W) charger can keep a Macbook 12" operating continuously, charging it at the same time in slightly less than one day. In sleep mode, the 12W charger is able to charge the notebook in about 4-5hrs.


2. Charge with an Apple 5V/2A Charger

When charged with a 10W Apple charger, the Macbook draws 1.8A at 4.61V in my set-up, and reports a charge of 0.23mAh per second of charge in sleep mode. Thus a total charge would take about 6.5 hours (likely more due to the current drop-off near full charge). When watching a B&W movie in full screen mode, the 10W charger still provides enough power to charge the Macbook at a rate of 0.054 mAh per second, equivalent to a full charge in 27 hours.


3. Other Charging Methods

What about lower current chargers or portable batteries? It appears the Macbook typically attempts to draw at least 1.5A from its power supply. When it negotiates the power draw with the supply unit, and the power supply unit cannot provide the 1.5A at minimum 4.4-4.5V voltage, The Macbook discontinues its power draw. I found none of my 3 (cheap) portable batteries able to supply the Macbook, whereas a portable charger was able to charge the Macbook at 4.55V with 1.5A current. To note, from an old iPod charger (5V/1A) the Macbook will draw 0.5A at 4.86V (my set up). Also to note, a small wall charger (Apple style) at close to max capacity will produce considerable heat.



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The attached photos show power draw from my Orico charger.

Jul 14, 2015 9:42 PM in response to stevelavv

And ideally I would like to hear from someone who has actually tried this and so knows for certain.


In some places I have read that you need to reach a certain wattage before it will charge, but in other places I have seen people talking about charging MacBooks from portable batteries through usb-a to usb-c, so this is at 5V and with only a couple of amps.


Thanks

Jul 17, 2015 6:58 PM in response to Lanny

Hi, and just to clarify for those interested -


The phone charger does charge it slowly when sleeping, maybe 10% per hour. But when awake I am can not tell if it charges as the battery seems to drain at the usual rate and in the power menu it says "power source - mains", "Battery is Not Charging".


So useful to know, you can charge it slowly from any usb power supply, in your car or where ever..

May 13, 2017 9:06 PM in response to stevelavv

same question, im using the powerbank to charge my macbook 12" 2016 through USB C to USB A cable. power system report that is 15 watts. i have 2 more questions:

1/ Can the lower power supply harm my device? apple said it need 29 watts to be charged. but my powerbank output is only 15 watts.

2/ Now im using powerbank like an AC power adapter, plug in all the time to keep the battery life better and minimize the cycle count. is it ok?

May 22, 2017 12:55 PM in response to andy7121

This would be perfectly fine.

If you do something really heavy on your macbook the power bank might not be enough though and the macbook battery will discharge as well but still at a lower rate.


I try to minimize the gear I carry, but even an iPhone adapter would add some hours during a whole day by decreasing the discharge rate. But remember that the macbook will increase the backlight when it receives power so maybe you end up with +/- 0 if you don't adjust the brightness. A high quality cable that is as short as possible also helps.

Can I charge my Macbook 2015 from a 2A 5V usb wall charger?

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