Rachel Schenck

Q: iMac can't open anything

I have a very old iMac and I can't get it to respond to anything I do. It started one day when I was trying to open an application and the rainbow wheel just kept spinning. I had to shut down the computer to get it to stop.

 

I've tried multiple things to try and open utility/repair programs but with the same result; the spinning wheel that never goes away. I've tried starting in Safe Mode, Recovery mode and I've tried resetting the PRAM, all with no luck. When I start in Safe Mode, the computer doesn't get passed the login screen. I can login but then it just shows the purple/blue starry background and never shows the hard drive. I tried starting in Recovery mode and it ended up just starting up like normal.

 

It hasn't had a problem starting up the normal way, but the minute I would click on any program, the wheel would just spin. However, I just tried to start it up normally and now it just sits on the apple screen with the gray spinning wheel.

 

I haven't taken it to the Apple store yet as I'm hoping this community will have some ideas.

 

I'm sure you'd love to know the specifics of the computer (as I said, it's very old, I think early 2007) but I can't even get into the system to get that info! For obvious reasons, it's not up to date on OS operating system but I'd hate to chuck it as it's used by my kids.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

iMac, Mac OS X (10.3.x)

Posted on Jul 16, 2015 1:05 PM

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  • by Kappy,

    Kappy Kappy Jul 16, 2015 1:09 PM in response to Rachel Schenck
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    Jul 16, 2015 1:09 PM in response to Rachel Schenck

    It sounds like the hard drive has failed or is failing.

  • by K Shaffer,

    K Shaffer K Shaffer Jul 18, 2015 11:50 AM in response to Rachel Schenck
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    Jul 18, 2015 11:50 AM in response to Rachel Schenck

    Given the possibility or likelihood of a hard disk drive failure, you may have to

    consider services of an authorized independent Apple trained service provider

    or depending on the model and build series/year, if you or someone you know

    has detailed experience in replacement of internal computer components and

    can follow direction, and also understand how Macs are different than PCs,

    the use of an online repair guide such as those iFixit.com offers for free use.

     

    •iMac Repair guides - iFixit.com:

    https://www.ifixit.com/Device/iMac

     

    There were several iMac models, so anything after 2006 build year generally

    would likely be an Intel-based iMac running the core processor by that maker.

    Earlier models would have the PowerPC (G3/G4/G5) across early build years.

    The main difference would be in how accessible the internal components are

    and also the operating system (original discs for OS X install-restore; or later

    system versions on their original retail install-restore media) the unit could use.

     

    For iMac computers from 2004 to present, you can learn how to identify it here:

    • How to identify iMac models - Apple Support

     

    If the computer does not have at least Lion 10.7.5 installed, it probably would

    not be able to access Recovery on boot up, since it likely would not be installed.

     

    Older computer models shipped with the system install-restore DVD, that can

    be used to attempt to fix a computer, and also it can be used to start up a Mac

    (the one it shipped with) and utilities on that DVD can be helpful to reformat &

    prepare a replacement hard disk drive for the re-installation of a new system.

     

    A new replacement hard disk drive would need to be correctly formatted prior

    to an attempt to install the system software on it; so that would be a multiple

    step process. Those who do this often probably have additional items on hand

    to facilitate the expediency of the process + save time. Such as a pro or hobbyist.

     

    An authorized Apple service provider who works on vintage or older non-warrantied

    products may have to run some diagnostics as part of the repair to see what else

    may be contributing to the failure or symptoms that lead to failure. Hardware can

    wear out, so the hard disk drive with moving parts is most suspect.

     

    In most locations where an Apple Store with Genius bar exists, you could set an

    appointment or ask if your computer is too old for them to provide preliminary

    diagnostic or inspection, to have their opinion on the best process; or contact an

    authorized repair service who specializes in Apple Macintosh repairs. There

    would be a fee for a repair, and you can discuss the matter & choose options.

    The product serial number can help those professionals identify your iMac.

     

    In any event...

    Good luck & happy computing!

  • by Allan Jones,

    Allan Jones Allan Jones Jul 19, 2015 8:09 AM in response to Rachel Schenck
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    Jul 19, 2015 8:09 AM in response to Rachel Schenck
    I haven't taken it to the Apple store yet

     

    Don't bother. They can't/won't look at anything over about five years old.

     

    As K Shaffer says, it is important that we know your exact imac variant to give effective troubleshooting help. Even if the online troubleshooting here cannot help you fix it at home, we can ofter tell what is wrong--useful information if you have to take it to an independent repair shop.

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jul 19, 2015 8:57 AM in response to Rachel Schenck
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    Jul 19, 2015 8:57 AM in response to Rachel Schenck

    When you used Safe mode how long did you allow it to login? It can take many minutes on a damaged system.

     

    Please retry safe mode with this additional step…

    Hold shift at boot to enter safe mode (the login window should state 'Safe boot)'.

    When you login hold shift again after clicking the login button. That will disable additional user login items. One of those items can cause a slow login if the software is damaged or incompatible etc. Try other user accounts if you have them too.

     

    Do you have a backup? If so is the backup bootable?

     

    If you can try another disk with OS X installed it may help you work out if the internal disk is failing or if the issue lies with some other piece of the hardware.

     

    If you have no backup & cannot afford to lose the data then you need to work out how to copy that data off the disk. 

    Recovery mode (or booting from an Installer disk) & Disk Utility can be used to 'restore' the data from one disk to another if you have a spare disk that is large enough to contain a full copy of the Mac. Ask if you want to try that. You may not have a recovery partition if the OS is old, in which case you must use the install disk to boot to make repairs.

     

    Some other options are to try a few basic resets (these may not help)

    How to Reset NVRAM on your Mac - Apple Support (use this to confirm you did this one correctly).

    Resetting the System Management Controller (SMC) on your Mac - Apple Support

     

    Apple hardware test will be on the original grey install disk that shipped with the Mac.

    Using Apple Hardware Test - Apple Support

     

    You may be able to reinstall OS X, that process can restore damaged system files leaving your data intact, however older OS installers do not work the same so please do not do that unless you have a full backup & can tell us what OS version you have installed.

  • by Rachel Schenck,

    Rachel Schenck Rachel Schenck Jul 24, 2015 6:24 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jul 24, 2015 6:24 AM in response to Drew Reece

    Thanks everyone for your comments. I was able to locate an OS CD so I've booted from that and verified and fixed the permissions and drive. It says things have been fixed so I tried restarting but the same spinning wheel occurs. So now I'm thinking it may be the start up/login items. How do I start up from the CD and turn off the start up items?

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jul 24, 2015 10:41 AM in response to Rachel Schenck
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    Jul 24, 2015 10:41 AM in response to Rachel Schenck

    Rachel Schenck wrote:

    now I'm thinking it may be the start up/login items. How do I start up from the CD and turn off the start up items?

     

    You don't use the OS install disk for this, you use safe mode as I mentioned earlier.

    Try safe mode if your Mac doesn't finish starting up - Apple Support

     

    That disables the third party startup items & many nonessential Apple items too. Just be aware that poor graphics performance is not abnormal in safe mode…

    Limited graphics performance in OS X recovery or safe mode - Apple Support

     

    Also see this, it is similar to are mode but only deals with items that run in you user account as you login…

    https://support.apple.com/kb/PH14201

     

    Personally I still think you need to backup the data ASAP & try using another disk - they do not last forever. Also can you tell us what OS version we are dealing with?

  • by Rachel Schenck,

    Rachel Schenck Rachel Schenck Jul 24, 2015 11:12 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jul 24, 2015 11:12 AM in response to Drew Reece

    Thanks Drew but I'm not sure safe mode is even working. I hold down shift upon start up and 1) I don't get a screen that says 'Safe boot' and 2) once I login and hold the shift key when clicking the login button, it takes me to the pink and blue star night image and then just stays there. Nothing comes up. No menu, nothing to click on. It's seems to be getting hung up on that screen and won't go any further.

     

    I do have a back up but I can't recall at the moment if I have just files backing up to it or the entire system. I will check that out.

     

    I did get it up and running with the CD to see what the system is. Here are the details:

    iMac 5,1

    Intel Core 2 Duo

    2.16Ghz

    1 processor

    4 MB L2 cache

    1 GB memory

     

    Thanks for your continued help!

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jul 24, 2015 11:26 AM in response to Rachel Schenck
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    Jul 24, 2015 11:26 AM in response to Rachel Schenck

    Can you see what version is printed on the OS CD/DVD? Something like 10.x.y or maybe a 'cat name'.  Is this the grey disk that shipped with the iMac or another disk that was purchased after the iMac (normally these have a cat or X printed on them).

     

    I think your best option is to try booting from your backup (connect it, boot holding 'alt' & select the orange backup disk in the boot picker).

     

    If that works OK it indicates issues with the internal disk.

    If it fails to boot then your backup is not functional (assuming it should be a fully bootable backup) & you need to consider making a new one.

     

    You can still run Apple hardware test to check out the hardware, but it can fail to catch errors & may not report others. I think the priority is to be sure the disk is not the issue & to validate the backup to be sure the data is safe.

     

    There are also ways to backup from a OS installation CD/DVD, so ask if you want to do that. You will need a volume large enough to hold all the Mac data, ideally with no important files on it (it's safest to erase the disk).

  • by Rachel Schenck,

    Rachel Schenck Rachel Schenck Jul 26, 2015 9:21 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jul 26, 2015 9:21 AM in response to Drew Reece

    The version on the CD I have is 10.4.8. I did try and boot from my back up and it works as far as it will start the computer and everything appears to be normal but the first thing I click on (at one start up, I tried quiting Safari; another start up I tried going to Preferences) it does the same thing as when I boot from the hard drive and that is I just get the spinning rainbow wheel.

     

    I've verified that all files and content is safe on my back up so am I now at the point of erasing and reinstalling from the CD?

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jul 26, 2015 9:41 AM in response to Rachel Schenck
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    Jul 26, 2015 9:41 AM in response to Rachel Schenck

    How recent is the backup?

    Does the backup have any other user accounts for you to login to for testing? It could be your user account at fault.

    When you login on the backup can you eject the internal disk so that it is not in use? If the OS behaves when it is ejected it could be that the internal disk is causing the issue.

     

    It looks like both installations are behaving the same so reinstalling is one option, I would consider installing to a separate hard disk just to test that the Mac can work. It is possible that a hardware failure is causing both OS installations to fail in similar ways. Since the backup was a copy of the internal OS it may be damaged in the same way - some errors will be transferred to the backup.

     

    I'm a little wary to erase & reinstall on older Macs since the hardware may be failing.

     

    '10.4.8' doesn't really answer my question – is this the grey disk that shipped with that Mac? If so read the fine print on the disks to use Apple hardware test. It may detect errors that can help you focus the testing.

  • by Rachel Schenck,

    Rachel Schenck Rachel Schenck Jul 26, 2015 10:15 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jul 26, 2015 10:15 AM in response to Drew Reece

    Last back up was 6/23/15. Sorry, the answer to the disk question is yes, it's the gray disk that came with the computer.

     

    No, no other user accounts were on the computer/backup with which to login.

     

    I'm not certain how to eject the internal disk. Can you advise?

     

    Hardware test from CD resulted in no issues.

     

    Thanks for your continued help, Drew!

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jul 26, 2015 10:47 AM in response to Rachel Schenck
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    Jul 26, 2015 10:47 AM in response to Rachel Schenck

    In Apple hardware test there are 2 modes – normal & extended. You should run both of them to see if anything crops up.

    There is also a loop mode that is enabled by hitting cmd+L. Enable that & try each mode & let it run for a few hours to see if anything happens when it warms up. Photograph or log any errors for searching later.

     

    To eject disks open a Finder window & select the disk in the sidebar. Right click it (or ctrl+click) & select 'Eject "Disk name" '

    You can also open the 'Computer' view from the Go menu if you cannot see the disk in the Sidebar & eject it from there.

     

    If you can boot up, login & create a new user it may be worth testing. 'System Preferences > Users & groups' is where you add new users. If that completes reboot & login as the new user. If the Mac is stable we can consider looking at your user account, but it seems unlikely since safe mode & the disabled login items didn't help earlier

  • by Rachel Schenck,

    Rachel Schenck Rachel Schenck Jul 26, 2015 11:18 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jul 26, 2015 11:18 AM in response to Drew Reece

    Thanks Drew. It could very well still be my user account. As I've been saying, I haven't been able to disable any auto login items or create a new user because I can't even get into the windows to change that. The minute I select anything once the computer has started, it stalls on the rainbow wheel.

     

    I did run both test and it found no errors. I'm currently in loop mode now so we'll see if that comes up with anything. I did have some success in booting one time after the test and was able to turn off the only login item I had which was Safari.

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jul 26, 2015 11:40 AM in response to Rachel Schenck
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    Jul 26, 2015 11:40 AM in response to Rachel Schenck

    When you logged in & held shift that disabled the user login items. Try that again if you like.

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