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Q: Install app on a second HDD

Hello,

 

I own a MacPro 5,1 with a 120GB SSD where is osx (for faster performance) and a 1TB HDD.

Since 120GB is a bit poor, can I install apps (like Photoshop, logic pro x.. Etc..) on the 1TB HDD?

Thank you

Posted on Jul 20, 2015 4:25 AM

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  • by The hatter,

    The hatter The hatter Jul 20, 2015 6:23 AM in response to enneemme
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    Jul 20, 2015 6:23 AM in response to enneemme

    SSDs have gotten cheap, 256GB EVO 850 is under US$100

     

    Also where is it now? PCIe SATA III? the fastest are PCIe-SSD blades of 256GB up to 1TB.

     

    Use the small one for scratch. And I would even upgrade the 1TB to larger model seeing how you run a few pro apps.

     

    Use PCIe device for system - and even scratch - and 4 drive bays with 2TB or 4TB drives for projects and data.

  • by enneemme,

    enneemme enneemme Jul 20, 2015 6:48 AM in response to The hatter
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    Jul 20, 2015 6:48 AM in response to The hatter

    Mmh, I realised that making the 120SSD the boot drive was a mistake. Since I am going to put another HDD (1TB) where I will install windows 7, I decided to fresh install OSX on the 1TB HDD.

    About the upgrade from 1TB to 2TB or even 4TB, maybe in the future.

    I am not going to save any non-app data on that drive, since I need to save files on an external HDD in order to share them with windows.

    That 120GB SSD will remain there, maybe it could be the "exchange drive* between the two OS...

    ---

    May I ask you a favor?

    I have never installed windows on a Mac, so I am afraid that I could make some irreversible mistakes.

    Could you help me with that?

     

    Thank you!

  • by lllaass,

    lllaass lllaass Jul 20, 2015 8:06 AM in response to enneemme
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    Jul 20, 2015 8:06 AM in response to enneemme

    Here is info for how to install windows via Boot Camp.

    http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/

    There is a Boot Camp forum

    Boot Camp

  • by The hatter,

    The hatter The hatter Jul 20, 2015 8:06 AM in response to enneemme
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    Jul 20, 2015 8:06 AM in response to enneemme

    There is a support page and forums for Windows (Boot Camp).

    http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp

     

    I tried long ago to use a 2nd 15K 18GB SCSI drive (Cheetah) for 3rd party apps. No benefit and more trouble but if you are out of space.... using 128GB though you would already I hope only have ~/Library on it so there is a mini user account but only using 10GB or less.

     

    I highly recommend getting 500GB EVO 850 for Windows and mac and not 1TB hdd.

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Jul 20, 2015 8:28 AM in response to enneemme
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    Jul 20, 2015 8:28 AM in response to enneemme

    enneemme wrote:

     

    I have never installed windows on a Mac, so I am afraid that I could make some irreversible mistakes.

    Could you help me with that?

    Please start at How to install Windows using Boot Camp - Apple Support .

     

    On a MP, you should remove all disks that will not participate in the Windows installation. On MPs with Optical drives, Windows should be installed using Optical drive, not a USB. Wired keyboards/mice work much better. Disconnect any external FW/TB/USB storage during the installation.

     

    Please also see How to install Windows 7 on extra Internal Disk .

  • by John Lockwood,

    John Lockwood John Lockwood Jul 20, 2015 9:27 AM in response to enneemme
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    Jul 20, 2015 9:27 AM in response to enneemme

    Many applications will only let you install them on the boot drive e.g. Microsoft Office.

     

    A way round your problem would be to setup the two drives as a combined 'Fusion' drive. This will result in the system software automatically moving files between the two drives so that the files that 'need' the speed are kept on the SSD and the rest get pushed automatically off to the slower hard disk. To you as a user it will look like one big drive.

     

    See http://www.techrepublic.com/article/pro-tip-how-to-create-and-disable-a-fusion-d rive/

     

    While you can mix internal and external drives as a DIY Fusion drive, you cannot normally use an external drive for Windows Boot Camp. However Boot Camp does support using the hard disk portion of a Fusion drive for the Boot Camp i.e. Windows operating system. See Boot Camp 5.1: Frequently asked questions - Apple Support

     

    Update: I see you have a Mac Pro 5,1 rather than the 6,1 so your hard disk is probably fitted internally and the above would not be an issue anyway.

     

    You are probably going to find that you can only make the two drives in to a Fusion drive by erasing them both. Therefore the first step is to back everything up.

     

    Note: Not that you have one but I do not believe any PCIe connected SSD drives support Boot Camp, SATA SSD drives mounted in the standard drive bays would be supported. You can still make a DIY Fusion drive using a SATA SSD drive and a standard SATA hard disk both in the standard drive bays.

  • by enneemme,

    enneemme enneemme Jul 20, 2015 10:08 AM in response to enneemme
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    Jul 20, 2015 10:08 AM in response to enneemme

    I thank everyone

    By the way, I kept the ssd with OSX, I tried to install an application (Clip Studio Paint), and then I copied it to the 2nd HDD. It works!

    I will buy a 1TB SSD maybe (they are cheaper now), when I will need it.

    About BootCamp, I can install windows on the 3rd HDD because it is an internal one.

    Should I format it as FAT and then to NTFS during the installation?

    Thank you

  • by The hatter,

    The hatter The hatter Jul 20, 2015 10:09 AM in response to John Lockwood
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    Jul 20, 2015 10:09 AM in response to John Lockwood

    I would never recommend and think long and hard before ever using Fusion - especially when it isn't needed and there are better and easier setups on a cMP.

  • by enneemme,

    enneemme enneemme Jul 20, 2015 10:44 AM in response to The hatter
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    Jul 20, 2015 10:44 AM in response to The hatter

    I am not going to use fusion, also because (sincerely) I had never heard about it before (I only read something).

    I will definitively buy a bigger SSD, also because I am going to save my data on the 1TB HDD or external.

    Do you know if a program like Photoshop or Audition will work if dragged in the 2nd HDD?

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Jul 20, 2015 11:48 AM in response to John Lockwood
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    Jul 20, 2015 11:48 AM in response to John Lockwood

    One disadvantage of Fusion LVG/LV combination is loss of readability from the Windows side. The advantage is that if you have an SSD as the first disk, you can add 128 disk slices and build a CS and have some portability of disks using plug-and-play. Partitioning is a chore with DU or diskutil. Bootcamp and CS seem to cause more grief at times. With a MP, you can separate CS on non-BC/Windows disks and keep them at an arm's length, if necessary.

  • by enneemme,

    enneemme enneemme Jul 20, 2015 1:31 PM in response to Loner T
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    Jul 20, 2015 1:31 PM in response to Loner T

    I do not really mind reading the OSX drive from windows, I will save data on an external HDD.

    Buuut, I do not know a lot about fusion. If I will be able to run programs from the 2nd HDD, things will go straight.

    Otherwise, bigger SSD is required.

    Also, about Bootcamp, should I format initially as FAT and then as NTFS during the installation?

  • by Loner T,

    Loner T Loner T Jul 20, 2015 1:49 PM in response to enneemme
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    Jul 20, 2015 1:49 PM in response to enneemme

    enneemme wrote:

     

    I do not really mind reading the OSX drive from windows, I will save data on an external HDD.

    Buuut, I do not know a lot about fusion. If I will be able to run programs from the 2nd HDD, things will go straight.

    If you use CS, there is no separation of file system between the two drives - SSD or HDD. Blocks move between the two based on usage and access irrespective of where they are located when created. The SSD acts as a fast cache and persistent store for such a fast cache. To all layers above the OS X, it appears as a single logical entity. A CS combines slices from different disks as a logical volume group with multiple logical volumes carved out of such a group.

     

    Also, about Bootcamp, should I format initially as FAT and then as NTFS during the installation?

    Bootcamp Assistant has no default read-write facility for NTFS. It creates a FAT, with the expectation that the Windows installer will provide an opportunity for the user to format it to NTFS. Here is an example.

     

    S0003_VistaInstall.png

     

    S0002_VistaFormat.png

  • by The hatter,

    The hatter The hatter Jul 20, 2015 2:12 PM in response to enneemme
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    Jul 20, 2015 2:12 PM in response to enneemme

    There are a lot of negative experiences and reviews of these Fusion setups. Handy at one time when SSD cost more and you didn't have a Mac Pro to play with. A pure SSD only and good setup of storage is much better.

     

    http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/harddrives/topic4991.html

     

    Apple does not have license to use NTFS except as read-only.

     

    Removing the GPT partition table before installing Windows - unless you were to use UEFI install which supports GPT.

  • by enneemme,

    enneemme enneemme Jul 20, 2015 10:15 PM in response to enneemme
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    Jul 20, 2015 10:15 PM in response to enneemme

    Fusion seems to be a little tricky reading that reviews, and I do not want to damage my machine in any way.

    How The Hatter said, SSD got cheaper now. A good 1TB SSD now costs about €345 (USD 373), so a future purchase will be definitively done.

    About Boot Camp (sorry I know this is not the right section) I will try to install windows.

    This is the first time that I use it since I had Macs and PCs, not all in one, but the pc died.

    Mac Pro is pretty solid and the 5,1 ver. let you to install Windows on a different HDD and not to partitioning the OSX one.

    If there are any issues, I will ask here (in Boot Camp section)

     

    Thank you

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