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Q: HELP. My mac pro has had a kernel attack on startup

My early 2008 Mac pro for the past two days will boot 40% through on the loading bar screen then (what I assume is a kernel attack) I hear a click and it shuts down. Ive tried SMC, PRAM,, etc with non works. I try PRAM reset and it just shuts down immediately. I try holding down D and it rather completely ignores the input or presents me with a flashing folder with a question mark on it. If it makes a difference I did install 16GB of RAM a few months before but one of the sticks of RAM sometimes doesn't register leaving me with 14gb of RAM. I just kept it in there. This has also happened a month ago but it only lasted for a day. I appreciate and feedback thank you in advancedt

Mac Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10.4)

Posted on Jul 28, 2015 9:38 AM

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  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Jul 29, 2015 8:22 AM in response to Multi777x
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    Jul 29, 2015 8:22 AM in response to Multi777x

    If you are getting the progress Bar, it is trying to boot normally. This could happen if your Drive is really, really sick, but is more likely an issue with not holding the keys soon enough.

     

    You could try holding down Option from power on until you get the Startup Manager screen, then selecting the Recovery_HD.

     

    For a wired keyboard, you should hold down Option or Command-R even before you power up. (The timing for a wireless keyboard requires you to wait until the chime is ending.)

     

    If none of this gets you anywhere you will need another drive with a System on it that can boot your Mac Pro 2008 model. The 10.6 Installer/Utilities DVD is such a system, as is any thumb drive Installer/Utilities drive you may have made along the way.

     

    With this much trouble, you should be thinking seriously about a replacement Hard Drive as well.

  • by Multi777x ,

    Multi777x Multi777x Jul 29, 2015 8:30 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Jul 29, 2015 8:30 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    Trust me I've tried pressing Command R all different combinations (and before it powered up). Now that you mention it last month I upgraded my drive to a 1TB WD black from Apple I believe. However option does work. But it only gives me "Recovery- 10.10.3"  not "RECOVERY HD" also what does the recovery drive do? Thanks for your patience

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Jul 29, 2015 9:10 AM in response to Multi777x
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    Jul 29, 2015 9:10 AM in response to Multi777x

    "Recovery- 10.10.3"

    Yes, choose that one!

     

    That is a very small Recovery partition that can boot your Mac with a Minimal OS and give you lightweight access to Disk Utility, Terminal, Resetpassword, ReInstall Mac OS X (from the Internet) and a few others.

     

    Use its Disk Utility and try to repair your disk from there. Run it repeatedly until it comes clean or gets stuck. DO NOT erase your drive -- its recommendation to do so is a holdover from when drives cost $1000, and the prize was your drive. In today's world, drives cost under US$100, and your DATA is the Prize.

     

    Also from there, if it comes to it, you can download and Re-Install Mac OS X on a new drive, skipping older versions and going directly to the last-running version. I strongly recommend you NOT re-Install on a flaky drive, but use a new or repurposed drive and leave your old one intact until you have exhausted all means for getting your files back.

     

    (if you have a Trusted Backup, you are free to do whatever you like.)

  • by Multi777x ,

    Multi777x Multi777x Jul 29, 2015 9:52 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder
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    Jul 29, 2015 9:52 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

    It's stuck loading at 1/5 on the progress bar for about an hour now :/

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jul 29, 2015 11:28 AM in response to Multi777x
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    Jul 29, 2015 11:28 AM in response to Multi777x

    Do you have the original Apple RAM? Install the bare minimum into the correct slots, as printed on the side of the access door or in the user replaceable parts manual…

    Apple - Support - Manuals

    10.10 needs 2GB, but I would go down to about 4GB if you have pairs of DIMMS that can do that.

     

    If you can't get recovery or a normal boot to work from the internal disk you will need to use another disk, either a USB installer for 10.10 or a full OS X installation (e.g. a pre existing bootable backup or a HD from a similar model of Mac).

    http://diskmakerx.com/

    Create a bootable installer for OS X Mavericks or Yosemite - Apple Support

     

    You an also try Apple Hardware test (or diagnostics on newer models)…

    Using Apple Hardware Test - Apple Support

    You may need the grey install disks if you have them, one has instructions for the hardware test tool printed on it.

    It could indicate an error if you are lucky, run the normal & extended modes several times to be sure. Also consider enabling loop mode (cmd+L) to run indefinitely.

     

    If you have access to another Mac you can also use Target disk mode to do repairs or recover data.

    How to use and troubleshoot FireWire target disk mode - Apple Support

     

    Finally verbose mode may spew out enough info to give you a clue what is failing …

    Mac OS X: How to start up in single-user or verbose mode - Apple Support

    That may just be a longshot, record or photograph the screen if can when messages get stuck.

  • by Multi777x ,

    Multi777x Multi777x Jul 29, 2015 12:16 PM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jul 29, 2015 12:16 PM in response to Drew Reece

    I spent 2 hours dealing with RAM yesterday I would like to avoid it unless if everything else fails also I do not have the original RAM. All of my eight RAM slots are filled by 2GB Nexix Ran. I'll try a USB installer for 10.10 right now. I've already tired AHT multiple times but it doesn't load.

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Jul 29, 2015 12:39 PM in response to Multi777x
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    Jul 29, 2015 12:39 PM in response to Multi777x

    How did you try AHT?

    On the internal HD, on an installer disk, on a USB stick?

     

    There is the option to make a USB AHT installer, this has a nice list of AHT downloads if you can work out the model details…

    https://github.com/upekkha/AppleHardwareTest

     

    I made a script to create one of those…

    https://gist.github.com/drewreece/2e5eed7dbfbd5dd7e929

     

    RAM should be checked during 'POST' so it should be functional, however it could have errors that occur during use, so it's important to be double check it.

    Many Linux distro's have memtest if you want to try another OS to check the memory.

  • by Multi777x ,

    Multi777x Multi777x Jul 30, 2015 7:02 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Jul 30, 2015 7:02 AM in response to Drew Reece

    I tried the AHT on internal HD. I didn't finish the flash drive OS X install and I will be out of town until Friday. Hoping the best that it will solve the issue

  • by Multi777x ,

    Multi777x Multi777x Aug 1, 2015 7:37 PM in response to Drew Reece
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    Aug 1, 2015 7:37 PM in response to Drew Reece

    OK so I tried booting OSX on a flash drive and same thing happens. I did some more research and it seems like the 8800GT been causing lots of problems to 2008 Mac Pros.. Is that a possibility?

  • by lllaass,

    lllaass lllaass Aug 2, 2015 2:47 AM in response to Multi777x
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    Aug 2, 2015 2:47 AM in response to Multi777x

    Yes, those cards do go bad.

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Aug 2, 2015 8:37 AM in response to Multi777x
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    Aug 2, 2015 8:37 AM in response to Multi777x

    It does sound like it could be your GPU. Do you have any messages or logs that tie in with your research?

     

    Verbose mode may show useful diagnostics…

    Mac OS X: How to start up in single-user or verbose mode - Apple Support

     

    Remove & re seat the graphics card if you haven't already done so.

  • by Multi777x ,

    Multi777x Multi777x Aug 4, 2015 9:30 AM in response to Drew Reece
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    Aug 4, 2015 9:30 AM in response to Drew Reece

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  • by Multi777x ,

    Multi777x Multi777x Aug 4, 2015 10:21 AM in response to Multi777x
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    Aug 4, 2015 10:21 AM in response to Multi777x

    I took out the graphics card and tried booting it without it and it seemed to boot. I heard the Apple bong noise. Normally if I let it boot normally it clicks off after 10 seconds of loading (unless if I'm holding shift) repeats. But it kept (presumably ) loading for five straight minutes. I believe it is the graphics at this point but I don't know for sure because obviously since the graphics card is unplugged the monitors don't work. What do you guys think?

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Aug 4, 2015 10:49 AM in response to Multi777x
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    Aug 4, 2015 10:49 AM in response to Multi777x

    I can't make much out in the verbose output sorry.

     

    Does your Mac normally have any sharing services enabled? If you can view it on the local network you can see if it is completing a boot. Ideally you have remote access turned on so you can get a ssh connection to it. That could allow you to see if it gets to a state beyond where it fails with the graphics card. Your Mac may not be booting correctly after so many forced shutdowns and having no GPU will prevent screen sharing from working.

     

    If you can read any of that verbose text search around for more info, but it does seem like the symptoms so far are part of a dead/ dying graphics system.

     

    I think the best thing for you to do is to try another graphics card.

  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Aug 4, 2015 1:13 PM in response to Multi777x
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    Aug 4, 2015 1:13 PM in response to Multi777x

    There is one experiment you could try.

     

    Let it run until you think it is fully booted up. Then press the control and Eject keys on the keyboard simultaneously. If you could see the screen, this familiar dialog-box would be showing:

     

    Restart-Sleep-Cancel-Shutdown.png

     

    any key except these few will cause the System Beep sound:

    R will cause it to Restart. S will put it to sleep (and the power light should blink slowly). Esc will cancel. Return will cause a controlled Shutdown.

     

    If the system is crashed or kernel-panicked, you will NOT get System Beep for stray keys.

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