ArmandoWyo

Q: Another with New Events Being Deleted; Signing out of iCloud Scary Warning

I’m another of the many with this problem. The recommended “fix” is to sign out Calendar out of iCloud.

https://origin-discussions-us.apple.com/thread/7088732?language=en

https://origin-discussions-us.apple.com/thread/7088732?language=en

I’m intimidated by the warning that pops up to sign out of iCloud: “If you stop using iCloud for Calendars, calendar stored in iCloud will be deleted from this Mac.”

Does this warning mean that events will no longer be in iCloud but events currently in Calendar will stay? Or does it that means everything in Calendar will disappear? If former, then risk may be worth it. Not if later.

This problem is occurring on a MBA (10.9.5). My calendar is also on an IMac (10.9.5), although I rarely make calendar entries on the iMac. I don’t use iCloud Keychain.

It’s scary to sign Calendar out of iCloud; lose perhaps hundreds of entries; and “trust” that will reappear when sign Calendar back into Cloud. Also the reward doesn’t seem to be worth the risk. Some are saying that even that only works 1-time, and then problem resumes.

If there is a permanent fix in works, maybe best choice is to suffer and wait. Others seem to be asking this same question.

Thanks for help.

OS X Mavericks (10.9.5), iMac (10.9.5) and MBA (10.9.5)

Posted on Aug 2, 2015 2:07 PM

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  • by UGADog,Helpful

    UGADog UGADog Aug 2, 2015 2:13 PM in response to ArmandoWyo
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    Aug 2, 2015 2:13 PM in response to ArmandoWyo

    I find it necessary to sign out and back in on occasion and I have never lost anything.  It is held in the iCloud for 30 days I think.  If you are really concerned, follow this.  iCloud: Calendar & reminder data removed from Calendar and Reminders or iCal when disabling iCloud Calendar - Apple Supp…

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    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 2, 2015 2:16 PM in response to UGADog
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    Aug 2, 2015 2:16 PM in response to UGADog

    UGADog wrote:

     

    I find it necessary to sign out and back in on occasion and I have never lost anything.  It is held in the iCloud for 30 days I think.

    No, it is held there forever, or until you delete it FROM THE CLOUD, which is quite different from deleting from a client, like your Mac or your iPhone.

     

    It is normal not to be able to access an account that you are not signed into, think of it like your bank account. You can see the data when you sign in, not when you sign out.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 2, 2015 2:19 PM in response to ArmandoWyo
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    Aug 2, 2015 2:19 PM in response to ArmandoWyo

    ArmandoWyo wrote:

     

    I’m another of the many with this problem. The recommended “fix” is to sign out Calendar out of iCloud.

    https://origin-discussions-us.apple.com/thread/7088732?language=en

    https://origin-discussions-us.apple.com/thread/7088732?language=en

    I’m intimidated by the warning that pops up to sign out of iCloud: “If you stop using iCloud for Calendars, calendar stored in iCloud will be deleted from this Mac.”

    Does this warning mean that events will no longer be in iCloud but events currently in Calendar will stay? Or does it that means everything in Calendar will disappear? If former, then risk may be worth it. Not if later.

    Nope, it means the exact opposite. When you sign out events are still in the cloud, they're just not on the device you just signed out.

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Aug 2, 2015 2:20 PM in response to ArmandoWyo
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    Aug 2, 2015 2:20 PM in response to ArmandoWyo

    See this for how to backup calendars…

    How to back up iCal calendar data - Apple Support

     

    If you export each calendar as a .ics file you can reimport it at a later date if iCloud deletes you local data. Do that on every OS X device to be safe.

     

    Contacts also has the same basic feature under 'File > Export > Contacts Archive'

    Keep the files somewhere safe.

     

    I would also suggest you use setup Time Machine to take care of backups, that way you have less to worry about. Bootable backups can help too, but they are generally only 'one point in time', Time Machine stores a longer history.

  • by Csound1,

    Csound1 Csound1 Aug 2, 2015 2:22 PM in response to Drew Reece
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    Aug 2, 2015 2:22 PM in response to Drew Reece

    That will cause duplicates (when and if you sign into iCloud again) but is correct if you don't.

  • by ArmandoWyo,

    ArmandoWyo ArmandoWyo Aug 2, 2015 2:34 PM in response to Drew Reece
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    Aug 2, 2015 2:34 PM in response to Drew Reece

    Agree I should backup. I backup my iMac and for couple of years also backed up MBA. The MBA stopped recognizing my Lacie backup disk. Another problem waiting solution.

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Aug 2, 2015 2:55 PM in response to ArmandoWyo
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    Aug 2, 2015 2:55 PM in response to ArmandoWyo

    ArmandoWyo wrote:

     

    Agree I should backup. I backup my iMac and for couple of years also backed up MBA. The MBA stopped recognizing my Lacie backup disk. Another problem waiting solution.

    That is another accident waiting to happen. There is no excuse for not making backups.

    If you want help with the backups post here to a new thread. Frankly if your backup is many years out of date you may be better off erasing and starting over, but even that should not be done without a backup of important files.

     

    Sign up for an online backup service if you want to make offsite backups too, you can never have too many backups.

  • by ArmandoWyo,

    ArmandoWyo ArmandoWyo Aug 2, 2015 3:35 PM in response to Drew Reece
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    Aug 2, 2015 3:35 PM in response to Drew Reece

    Drew,

    I can’t argue that don’t need to back up. I did post last year about my difficulty backing up to my LaCie-2big-NAS. Response was don’t back up to a hard drive that isn’t Apple. But 1) no one explained why my iMac backs up to Lacie 2big NAS w/o problem. 2) Apple does make a back up that will work with iMac via wire and MBA via network. I have lots of photos and doxs. Didn’t want to backup via network. So, my half-arse solution is to keep all photos, doxs, and mail on iMac and keep those backed up

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Aug 2, 2015 4:00 PM in response to ArmandoWyo
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    Aug 2, 2015 4:00 PM in response to ArmandoWyo

    As Linc Davis said in that post, the LaCie is not a supported destination for Time Machine across a network, only Apple could say why. My suspicions are that OS X has a hard time keeping all the required metadata safe on a disk format that is managed by the NAS. I think it uses some features that really need a Mac OS Extended filesystem. The NAS will use libraries & supporting files that are beyond what Apple can access. Some people have no issue with Time Machine on NAS's, but it is a risky & unsupported way to backup.

     

    If you must store backups on your NAS you could consider Carbon Copy Cloner or ChronoSync.

    http://bombich.com/

    http://www.econtechnologies.com/

     

    Both of those can copy data to a network destination. They can also archive deleted files, so you can get the chance to keep a full copy of the Mac & keep a history of deleted files. It is not as thorough as Time Machine, but it is better than nothing. The copies probably won't be bootable & may lose metadata depending on how the NAS stores files.

     

    Enable the local snapshots if you want a little protection via Time Machine on the local disk, that could be enough to recover from potentially deleted calendars.

    http://www.pondini.org/TM/30.html

  • by ArmandoWyo,

    ArmandoWyo ArmandoWyo Aug 2, 2015 4:36 PM in response to Drew Reece
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    Aug 2, 2015 4:36 PM in response to Drew Reece

    Thanks, Drew, Good information and suggestions. Carbon Copy Cloner or ChronoSync look workable. Both say that bootable. ChronoSync even says that works with a NAS device.

    I have 2 options. I can use Carbon Copy Cloner or ChronoSync to back up MBA either to the Lacie NAS or to another 250GB hard drive that I have. The 250 GB hard drive is an old back up that filled up and then I go the Lacie. It's empty now. But I’m a unsure of how to connect the 250 GB so that it will backup the MBA over my wifi network. Do I just connect it to iMac, and then see if i can select as the backup disk it after get Carbon Copy Cloner or ChronoSync?

  • by Drew Reece,

    Drew Reece Drew Reece Aug 2, 2015 5:09 PM in response to ArmandoWyo
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    Aug 2, 2015 5:09 PM in response to ArmandoWyo

    Just to be clear. Carbon Copy Cloner & ChronoSync can create bootable backups but to work you need to connect that backup directly to a Mac. It is unclear how the LaCie works in this regard, so you will need to check the manual or LaCie's support site. It is important to preserve permissions & the folder structure for booting ability, so it may not work on the LaCie share points (the NAS will have it's own users & groups that could interfere during the backup process).

     

    To share a disk you need some kind of file server or you can hook it up directly to the Mac. I suspect you want to share it on the network since that is the easiest to manage for a portable device. Bear in mind that the network speed (probably wifi) will cause the first backup to take some time, use ethernet if available.

     

    The LaCie may support the ability to share extra volumes via it's extra ports, again consult the manual. If that is possible, hook up the external disk & format it for sharing from the LaCie. Otherwise you would need to enable file sharing on the iMac & share the disk from there, you connect using a user account on the iMac.

     

    Carbon Copy Cloner also has the ability to connect to a Mac that has ssh enabled. That is coverered at …

    https://bombich.com/kb/ccc4/using-carbon-copy-cloner-back-up-another-macintosh-o n-your-network

    It should be able to backup to any connected disk without the need for file sharing (ssh has a deeper level of access).

     

    Using ssh ('Remote login' in the Sharing Preferences) should help to preserve permissions & boot ability, if you use File sharing on the iMac it will not preserve enough permissions as explained on the CCC KB page above so it will not be bootable.