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Q: Need to move the Photos library.

I found this in the Help for Photos:

Change where Photos stores your files

When you import photos and videos into Photos, they’re copied to and stored in the Photos library. If you prefer, you can store photos and videos outside the Photos library (for example, in a folder on your Mac or on an external drive) and still view them in Photos. Files stored outside your library are called referenced files. For more information about referenced files, see Where are my imported files?

Referenced files aren’t automatically uploaded and stored in iCloud Photo Library, and they aren’t backed up along with the rest of your files when you back up your photo library—you must back them up manually. If you want to avoid manually backing up referenced files, you can move or consolidate the files into your library.

 

Store imported files outside the Photos library

  1. Choose Photos > Preferences, then click General.
  2. Deselect the “Copy items to the Photos library” checkbox.Now, when you import photos or video, Photos leaves the files in their original location and accesses them as referenced files.

 

 

Copy referenced files into a Photos library

You can copy referenced files into your photo library so they’re easier to back up and are automatically included in your iCloud Photo Library.

  1. Select the files that you want to move into the photo library.
  2. Choose File > Consolidate.
  3. Click Copy.




  4. So this makes me wonder.. what are the differences between having Photos library based on my MacBook Air vs. an external drive?

When I take pics with my phone.. do they properly go into the Library.. are they "references files" that need to be manually added.. or will they just add into my iCloud library automatically?


Will I still be able to browse my photos on my MacBook Air when disconnected from the external drive or will it be complicated some how?


My library is clearly too large to reside on my computer so I have to move to external drive.. just wanting to know caveats.


Also.. I've seen conflicting information on various sites about how exactly the external drive needs to be formatted.


Most confoundingly, I don't see any official Apple sanctioned method to move the library over... (Maybe it's so simple I shouldn't worry about it?)... seems like various places I can find guidance..  just want to know the officially blessed method before I pursue some madness with this.


Cheers,

David



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Posted on Aug 5, 2015 7:59 AM

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  • by MisterQuint,

    MisterQuint MisterQuint Aug 11, 2015 12:17 AM in response to LarryHN
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    Aug 11, 2015 12:17 AM in response to LarryHN

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  • by MisterQuint,

    MisterQuint MisterQuint Aug 11, 2015 12:21 AM in response to léonie
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    Aug 11, 2015 12:21 AM in response to léonie

    HI,

    That does work..thanks.   I guess.. I was hoping I could open Photos on the mac and have the ability to edit....across all devices.. like I can on iPhone presently.

    That's what I'm trying to do.....maybe I could have just deleted my library from Mac.

     

    I look at it like this.. if I was successful and uploaded my whole library to the iCloud.. and I trash all my hardware and start from scratch.. could I enjoy Photos on iOS and Photos on Mac to their fullest... downloading a full rez version of anything I choose and edit as I desire and it saves across all devices?

     

    Maybe since I had an old iPhoto library.. I'm missing some major step in making everything work properly here.

     

    ?

  • by léonie,Solvedanswer

    léonie léonie Aug 11, 2015 1:00 AM in response to MisterQuint
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    Aug 11, 2015 1:00 AM in response to MisterQuint

    With the settings you posted in your screenshots (Optimize Mac Storage) you should be able to keep your Photos library on the internal drive on your MAc.  It really depends on the amount of free storage you can afford to use for Photos on your Mac.  The library will need the storage for the optimized thumbnails, faces, database files. How large is your internal drive? Can you sacrifice 20  GB to your Photos Library on the internal drive? If yes, then try the following.

    • Wait, till the upload to iCloud has finished. There should be no progress bar in the Photos > Preferences > iCloud pane.
    • Create a new Photos library on your internal drive (Launch Photos with the options key held down and select to create a new library in your Pictures folder.
    • Make this new, empty library the System Photo Library and enable iCloud. Make sure, "Optimize Mac Storage is enabled".
    • Photos will now (slowly) download optimized versions from iCloud to your new library on the internal drive. This library should be smaller than the one you are now having on your external drive.

    There is one draw-back.  You can reduce the size of your library this way, but you will have to name the faces all over again.  And the projects will not download back from iCloud.  To work with your books, calendars, faces switch back to the library on the external drive.

     

    Just a caution:  With your current options "Optimize Mac Storage" even the Photos library on your external drive does not hold all your originals.  Right now, the only full, original copies of your photos seem to be in iCloud. 

    You must not disable iCloud Photo Library and start over without downloading your originals at least to the Photos Library on your external drive. There should be enough free storage on the external drive.

    While the library on the external drive is still your System Photo Library, disable temporarily "Optimize Mac Storage".  The originals will download to your external drive and you can backup this library. Once the original have been downloaded, you can switch again to the library on the internal drive and enable  "Optimize Mac Storage" again to keep the internal Photos Library small.

  • by MisterQuint,

    MisterQuint MisterQuint Aug 12, 2015 7:35 AM in response to léonie
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    Aug 12, 2015 7:35 AM in response to léonie

    HI,

    Thanks for all the detail.

    I'm guessing for those of us who used iPhoto.. it's a little confusing how the iPhoto library remains and has any sort of tie to things. Is there an Apple official document / KB article that goes into detail about how storage will typically look when using the various options... estimating how much storage is used on your local hard drive vs. in the iCloud when using the various options?

     

    I realize it will all depend on how much folks interact with their library and edit.. but still.. for folks with small, flash hard drives.. it's something we'd all like to know about so we can make the proper decisions on how to manage all of this.

     

    Just wondering if there is any detail around this topic. But thanks to Leonie and others on this forum who have helped me tremendously in the past couple of weeks!

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Aug 12, 2015 8:07 AM in response to MisterQuint
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    Aug 12, 2015 8:07 AM in response to MisterQuint
    Is there an Apple official document / KB article that goes into detail about how storage will typically look when using the various options... estimating how much storage is used on your local hard drive vs. in the iCloud when using the various options?

    No, I have not seen any documentation of the estimated storage requirements.  It will depend on the size of the original image files. You will save more storage, if you are having large RAW originals then with moderately sized JPEGs.

    The documentation is rather vague, see:  iCloud Photo Library FAQ

    Can I use iCloud Photo Library to save space on my device?

    iCloud Photo Library automatically keeps all your photos and videos in the original, high-resolution version. Follow these steps to choose how you store your photos and videos on your device:

    • In iOS, tap Settings > iCloud > Photos or Settings > Photos & Camera, then select a storage setting.
    • In OS X, click Photos > Preferences > iCloud, then select a storage setting.

    If you turn on Optimize [device] Storage, iCloud Photo Library will automatically manage the size of your library on your device, so you can make the most of your device's storage and access more photos than ever. All of your original, full-resolution photos and videos are stored in iCloud while device-size versions are kept on your device. You can download the original photos and videos over Wi-Fi or cellular when you need them.

    If you turn on Download Originals, iCloud Photo Library will keep your original, full-resolution photos and videos in iCloud and on your device. Download Originals is the default setting for iOS devices with the free 5 GB storage plan and for all Mac devices.

  • by MisterQuint,

    MisterQuint MisterQuint Aug 12, 2015 12:29 PM in response to léonie
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    Aug 12, 2015 12:29 PM in response to léonie

    So I will do what you described above.. .. however before I proceed.. just have one other question.

     

    So at the moment I moved my Photos library (and my old iPhoto library over to my external  hard drive.

     

    I was surprised to see when I look at my system settings and storage that some 37 GB is taken up by photos... meanwhile when I look in my Pictures folder.. there are just some extraneous folders and pics that add up to under 1 GB.

     

    What's the other 36 GB? IS that cases where I downloaded movies and pictures to full rez.. and they "live" in some temporary folder?

     

    Is it wise to "clean that out" from time to time?

     

    I recall with iTunes Match.. /iTunes in the Cloud.. where I would download lots of songs on my phone.. and periodically to free up memory. i'd "Start over" so once again.. I'd be dowloading everything from scratch. (I guess I do this less in iTunes today as I stream a lot of music and down really download much).

     

    Thanks for humoring my discussion here! Just trying to understand how storage gets used with various functions on my computer.. and please pardon a lot of my ignorance here.

     

    Cheers,

    David M.

  • by léonie,

    léonie léonie Aug 12, 2015 12:58 PM in response to MisterQuint
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    Aug 12, 2015 12:58 PM in response to MisterQuint
    I was surprised to see when I look at my system settings and storage that some 37 GB is taken up by photos... meanwhile when I look in my Pictures folder.. there are just some extraneous folders and pics that add up to under 1 GB.

    Just to be sure, you did empty the Trash on the Desktop, after you moved the libraries, didn't you?

     

    The storage display in "About this Mac" can be highly inaccurate, after a massive delete.  And the Photos count is counting each and every photo, also the photos used by applications for documentation, tutorials, etc.

    If you are using My Photo Stream or iCloud Photo Sharing, the Shared Albums and My Photo Stream are stored in your User Library. If you empty  these caches, they will immediately download again.

  • by MisterQuint,

    MisterQuint MisterQuint Aug 12, 2015 1:00 PM in response to léonie
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    Aug 12, 2015 1:00 PM in response to léonie

    Ah, good info! Thanks.

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