Glossy vs. Matte Debate

Having upgraded to MBP C2D with matte screen from MacBook Glossy screen I have a few observations. First, the matte screen is not as bright, but it does offer a better view from all angels, and for sure it does not get as dirty - it has been 4 days and the screen looks new. One my old Glossy MB the screen showed every smudge, dust speck, and had poor side viewing, plus you had to tilt screen to get best view. I love glossy, but wow matte ain't bad.

MBP Core 2 Duo 2.16, Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Nov 3, 2006 10:23 AM

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Posted on Nov 10, 2006 3:53 PM

That is what I want to know before I buy: Which
screen is technically/operatively superior in it's
color display. My "preference" is for the superior
quality, not the perceived quality.

Can anyone provide that baseline information?




I feel the same way you do in regards to the subjective posts about the difference in displays. I work in post production and see alot of monitors and footage. I now have a Glossy MBP C2D and I have access to a Matte MBP CD. I've done a side by side comparison of these two very good screens.

On the same calibration setting (color LCD standard) Glossy has a higher kelvin temperature giving it a cleaner white look slightly bluish if you view them side by side. Glossy also has a slightly darker black. Because of the way Matte scatters ambient light it gives off a slight bit more color saturation on some content. Glossy does perform brighter than the matte display. Viewing angles are identical on both.

If you use specs, not opinion in your decision.

1. Glossy has higher contrast (regarded by many as the most important picture element)
2. Glossy has the brighter display.
3. Glossy has slightly better color saturation.

All top features of the best picture/image. As far as concerns regarding color accuracy. I haven't put any bars or graphs up to them this is just what I see right away. Both can be calibrated/adjusted. But the viewing angles in laptop panels makes this a mute point. Both are of no use in a professional environment doing color correction. I wouldn't dare do CC on a laptop monitor and I have not met any Graphic Artists who don't have desktops to work on.

Now that being said, Glossy does give glare if bright light sources are behind you. In that regard matte wins. But people have been looking at glossy CRT TV's and computer displays for over 50 years. Now glare becomes and issue?

I don't work on rooftops or sport stadiums so glare was not a big issue for me.


"If gloss is better, why isn't there a gloss Cinema Display? Isn't this the top of the line TFT display? Isn't it considered the BEST flat screen for graphics use? That's what I've always heard."

There are true professional grade LCD monitors with a Gloss finish, for video Panasonic makes some very good one's as well as marshall. I can't remember if I've seen any sony's. Almost all Ultra High end monitors I've seen have been glossy.

To my knowledge Apple does not make LCD panels, nor do most computer makers. They buy them from samsung or toshiba like most of the industry then put their touch on it. Apple buys what it feels is best for it's customer base. I went to a large trade show and one of the manufacturers was showing their product (HD footage) on Apple Cinema Displays. Clearly it was not the best choice, as other manufacturers showcased their footage on high end (Glossy) monitors that looked stunning. Graphics may be different, when I work with graphic artist they use color profiles to make sure the printers print what they are looking at.

Hopes this helps.
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Nov 21, 2006 3:03 PM in response to Madgenius

I spent the last few months on a glossy doing audio editing and FCP work. I hated it. I now got the matte display. The matte is so much more pleasing to my eye. Again my personal experience. I bought a top of the Line Sony Bravia LCD TV, it is matte, I produce for that medium. Most of the plasma tv's and lcd tv's are matte. I always hated the way my crt reflected light and me in front of the screen. It really is about preference, thank god we have the option. Not everything that is brighter and more colorful is better......

Nov 13, 2006 7:29 AM in response to CapKapak

I, also have gone through this mold thing with my MacBook Pro's... After going through countless Core Duo MacBook Pro's and 1 Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro, I have just about had it with the poor displays these laptops come with. All the previous laptops were the Matte kind and after about 2-3 weeks after use, I kid you not, I started getting these grey specs, dots all over the screen, especially towards the bottom half of the display, and not to mention dead pixels coming up after a few weeks of use. I just exchanged my CD2 2.33GHz/256MB Matte MacBook Pro for a Glossy model. I am keeping my fingers crossed and hope to rid myself of these problematic displays! I work in graphic design and to have such poor display issues on these guys is just BAD! Besides the display issues, everything else has been great.

Nov 16, 2006 9:56 PM in response to Willett58

Sigh...I had read this thread before ordering my MBP Glossy, and I just received it today. I was so excited.

I noticed, however, that the display has some illumination problems--there's kind of a bright strip down the bottom of the screen that shows up with PixelCheck, I have to tilt the computer back to get the best viewing angle, and text down the bottom of the screen is fuzzy and white becomes gray further down the screen as well. Also, I just find text really hard to focus on. It's like the text is "jumpy"--kind of hard to explain.

I put my MBP 2Duo Glossy next to my old 1.25 PowerBook. The MBP is a LOT brighter, and more contrasty. Text comes up softer on the PB. I'm wondering if the high contrast of the glossy is what's making the text hard to read? Or is it a problem with my display?

Does anyone else seem to find the glossy hard on the eyes...or did I get a lemon?

I'm just so disappointed with Apple's quality control. My PB had to go back because it was one of the defective latch models. The replacement came back with the dreaded white spots, and when the display was swapped out it came back with horrid uneven illumination. Then part of the display case came unglued and the screw loosened so it's literally coming apart. And now, my new MBP is giving me a headache. Grr.

--Melissa

Jan 3, 2007 9:03 PM in response to Willett58

Hi Guys. I'm going to revive this discussion because I really labored over this choice. I had a lot of concerns re: glossy screens and the glare issue. In the Apple store the glare on the Macboks was pronounced, so much so that I almost purchased a Macbook Pro refurb (with intel core duo) just to get a matte screen. Then I asked about fire sale items and sure enough they had a 'refreshed' macbook with 2 Ghz intel core 2 duo discounted $130. Well, I could not pass that up.

I've been working very happily on the glossy white macbook for a couple of days now and I love the display. I've had no issues with glare at all, I don't see my reflection in the display (like some have said), and I'm not getting headaches. Overall I couldn't be happier. The white is even growing on me and I can now use the money I saved to upgrade the RAM or buy the Apple Care, or both...:)

macbook intel core 2 duo Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Nov 5, 2006 5:15 AM in response to Willett58

Love the glossy screen too. I remember looking with envy at laptop PCs and how beautiful their glossy screen looked in the shop, with that (gotta be standard all over the world!) aquarium screensaver looking great! One of the reasons I bought the MBP is because they offered it with the option of glossy screen - which I got. The colours are so saturated! Nice. However, if I was working in a profession requiring correct colour calibration, I probably would have chosen the matte screen.

Ant

Nov 10, 2006 9:49 AM in response to Willett58

Something no one has mentioned in this gloss/matte debate is this:

If gloss is better, why isn't there a gloss Cinema Display? Isn't this the top of the line TFT display? Isn't it considered the BEST flat screen for graphics use? That's what I've always heard.

Aside from personal pref, it would seem that Apple feels the matte is best for the Cinema display. Would seem logical that it is best for a MacBook display as well.

I use a 20" Cinema display and folks constantly comment it is the best screen they have ever seen. It is matte.

So, my question isn't so much about gloss vs matte. It is how different is the MacBook Pro matte screen from a Cinema Display? If they are crafted from the same stuff, that's the way I'd go. Until Apple is pushing gloss Cinema displays, I'm not sure I can buy in to the assumption they are technically better.

That is what I want to know before I buy: Which screen is technically/operatively superior in it's color display. My "preference" is for the superior quality, not the perceived quality.

Can anyone provide that baseline information?

Nov 12, 2006 9:44 PM in response to CapKapak

I ordered a MBP and cancelled the order because I decided to switch my order from matte to glossy. I almost got taken in by the glossy nay-sayers but then one night I was thinking those who decry glossy screens have an all too familiar tone--reminded me of the guys who used to slam digital photography as something that would never be as good as film.

Reluctant to embrace new technology, in other words. (Some, not all of them).

Anyway, I got used to the glossy screen on my MacBook and it's great for photos.

I even find it works better outdoors because you can adjust around any glare and it's bright enough to compete with ambient daylight, unlike the matte screen which is hard to see in daylight.

Good luck choosing!

Glossy vote here!

Jan 11, 2007 8:58 PM in response to Willett58

I just received my second MBP, this time a 17' C2D 2.33Ghz w/ 3Gb RAM with glossy.

The glossy is fantastic, there is definitely reflection but you will not notice it. Its a fantastic screen. Bright as ****. Viewing angle is not as wide as the matte but still very acceptable.

I still have my 15" MBP CD but I'm on my second replacement LCD and mould has started growing already. So far two spots.

The 17" rocks!!!

MBP 15" CD 2.00Ghz, MBP 17" C2D 2.33Ghz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Nov 10, 2006 5:20 AM in response to Willett58

I'm trying to decide which model to purchase -- an accurate monitor is important to my work. Color correcting photos is part of my job, and I've never tried to do so on anything except a calibrated CRT monitor before. Are the glossy screens too bright for color accuracy? I've read that the matte screens are a little fuzzy and dark -- any opinions? I'd love to hear back from other graphics professionals who have an MBP and are happy with their screen choices.

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